Post #396,859
12/4/14 11:31:18 AM
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They went to the people. That's what a real President is supposed to do.
Recognizing that the Elkins Act was not effective, Roosevelt pursued further railroad regulation and undertook one of his greatest domestic reform efforts. The legislation, which became known as the Hepburn Act, proposed enhancing the powers of the Interstate Commerce Commission to include the ability to regulate shipping rates on railroads. One of the main sticking points of the bill was what role the courts would play in reviewing the rates. Conservative senators who opposed the legislation, acting on behalf of the railroad industry, tried to use judicial review to make the ICC essentially powerless. By giving the courts, which were considered friendly to the railroads, the right to rule on individual cases, the ICC had less power to remedy the inequities of the rates.
When Roosevelt encountered this resistance in Congress, he took his case to the people, making a direct appeal on a speaking tour through the West. He succeeded in pressuring the Senate to approve the legislation. The Hepburn Act marked one of the first times a President appealed directly to the people, using the press to help him make his case. The passage of the act was considered a major victory for Roosevelt and highlighted his ability to balance competing interests to achieve his goals.
Square Deal
Roosevelt believed that the government should use its resources to help achieve economic and social justice. When the country faced an anthracite coal shortage in the fall of 1902 because of a strike in Pennsylvania, the President thought he should intervene. As winter approached and heating shortages were imminent, he started to formulate ideas about how he could use the executive office to play a roleāeven though he did not have any official authority to negotiate an end to the strike. Roosevelt called both the mine owners and the representatives of labor together at the White House. When management refused to negotiate, he hatched a plan to force the two sides to talk: instead of sending federal troops to break the strike and force the miners back to work, TR threatened to use troops to seize the mines and run them as a federal operation. Faced with Roosevelt's plan, the owners and labor unions agreed to submit their cases to a commission and abide by its recommendations. http://millercenter.org/president/roosevelt/essays/biography/4It wasn't all teacakes and sunshine for TR either. The big difference here is that Obama wanted above all to leave the health insurance oligarchs in power. He said so explicitly in the 2006 recording I linked. Consequently, he felt no desire to do the right thing for the people and boy, oh boy, does it ever show in the massive handouts to Big Pharma and Big Insurance that is the PPACA.
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Post #396,862
12/4/14 11:54:27 AM
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If Obama wanted that...
The big difference here is that Obama wanted above all to leave the health insurance oligarchs in power. That's delusional. Nothing would have made the insurance oligarchs happier than to keep the system as it was. Lifetime caps, pre-existing conditions, 10%+ premium increases every year, etc., etc. Why do you think the insurance industry fought so hard to defeat the PPACA? Why would he spend nearly a year and all that political capital if he wanted to help the insurance oligarchs? Frontline: Fall 2009 Democrats take the lead; war with the insurance industry; more deals are cut
Two days before the Senate is to vote on the Finance Committee's bill, America's Health Insurance Plans releases a report (PDF) alleging that health care premiums would increase sharply under the bill. "But the importance of that report and its issuance was not really the substance of the report so much as the decision by the industry to put it out there," explains Washington Post reporter Ceci Connolly. "It was the clearest signal in this long drama that the insurance industry was not going to be on board with any sort of health care reform."
On Oct. 13, the health care bill passes the Senate Finance Committee with the support of only one Republican, Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine. Following the bill's passage, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) takes back control of the bill -- talk of a public option is back on the table and the individual mandates that the insurance industry had fought for are watered down.
And the following Saturday, the president takes on the insurance industry in his weekly Internet address: "They're flooding Capitol Hill with lobbyists and campaign contributions, and they're funding studies designed to mislead the American people," he says. "It's all smoke and mirrors. It's bogus."
But Karen Ignani and her allies fight back by funneling millions of dollars into a tough ad campaign against the legislation sponsored by the Chamber of Commerce. And the insurance industry's arguments hold sway with a number of key senators. The White House and the Democratic leadership begin cutting deals; they kill the public option, pleasing Sen. Joe Lieberman and others; they lower proposed taxes for medical device makers to win Sen. Evan Bayh's (D-Ind.) support.
The last holdout is Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.), a former insurance industry executive. He agrees to support the bill if he can get a $100 million deal in which the costs of expanding Medicaid in Nebraska would be covered by U.S. taxpayers. Sen. Nelson denies there was a quid pro quo for his vote, saying instead he was opening the door for all states to receive similar Medicaid compensations. But Washington and the media see it differently; the deal becomes known as the "Cornhusker Kickback." Your 2006 Sirota linky (which I still haven't listened to) presumably is similar to this piece (also from 2006): This theme had been reiterated all day: Obama is all about the art of the possible within the system. "This is a classic conflict within the left: Are you a revolutionary or are you a reformist?" Obama said. "I am less concerned with the labels that are placed on me in terms of what kind of leader I am, and I am more interested in results.... I think within the institutional structures we have, we can significantly improve the life chances of ordinary Americans." I asked him to give me some specific examples of what he meant. Is a proposal to convert America's healthcare system to one in which the government is the single payer for all services revolutionary or reformist? "Anything that Canada does can't be entirely revolutionary--it's Canada," Obama joked. "When I drive through Toronto, it doesn't look like a bunch of Maoists." Even so, Obama said that although he "would not shy away from a debate about single-payer," right now he is "not convinced that it is the best way to achieve universal healthcare."
Obama has a remarkable ability to convince you that his positions are motivated purely by principles, not tactical considerations. This skill is so subtle and impressive, it resembles Luke Skywalker's mastery of the Force. It's a powerful tool for a Democratic Party that often emanates calculation rather than conviction. "I don't think in ideological terms. I never have," Obama said, continuing on the healthcare theme. "Everybody who supports single-payer healthcare says, 'Look at all this money we would be saving from insurance and paperwork.' That represents 1 million, 2 million, 3 million jobs of people who are working at Blue Cross Blue Shield or Kaiser or other places. What are we doing with them? Where are we employing them?"
Shifting back to how he sees himself in the Senate, Obama seemed to amend his previous statement about what kind of leadership progressives can expect from him. "I am agnostic in terms of the models that solve these problems," he said. "If the only way to solve a problem is structural, institutional change, then I will be for structural, institutional change. If I think we can achieve those same goals within the existing institutions, then I am going to try to do that, because I think it's going to be easier to do and less disruptive and less costly and less painful.... I think everybody in this country should have basic healthcare. And what I'm trying to figure out is how to get from here to there." He went on to tell me about his support for other structural changes such as public financing of elections, forcing broadcasters to offer free airtime for candidates, adding strong labor protections to trade pacts and major efforts to create a more just tax system. Sirota's piece has lots of language that rubs me the wrong way - arguing about whether "liberals" are somehow different from "progressives", etc., etc. And his snark at the start of the piece, and apparent glee in trying to say Obama was a fraud or something, seems mostly to be what one would expect in a hatchet-job. But the quoted paragraphs above seem fair to me, even with the snarkiness. YMMV. Cheers, Scott.
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Post #396,869
12/4/14 12:57:44 PM
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My Sirota link was the basis of that article.
But the link is the full quote (not edited by the Obama fans at the Nation) and puts Obama's actual position in the proper light. Which conflicts substantially from what you're purporting is/was his position.
Face it, Scott. He's another defender of the oligarchy. Comcast CEO to head FCC, health insurance lobbyists in the so-called healthcare reform effort, etc. sic nauseum. The cost of medical care REMAINS the leading cause of personal bankruptcy in this country even after the PPACA. That is an abomination. No one should ever lose their home because a family member got sick. No federal legislation should have ever passed that mandated every citizen to participate (and add to the profits of) the industry responsible for that reality.
For five years I worked in the health insurance industry. It is corrupt to its core. Even if I give Obama credit for wanting to reform it (in spite of all evidence to the contrary, mind you), I *know* it cannot be reformed. It is as rotten as anything Goldman Sachs has ever come up with. If he were a Progressive and realized how corrupt Washington is, he'd know he had to appeal to the corporate masters who are not involved in the healthcare scam that is the US health system. And that would be *easy*. "Honda, Mercedes, BMW, Toyota. None of them have to pay a profit to other companies to provide health care to their workers. Why should GM, Chrysler, Ford and Tesla? It's unfair to our corporations who have to put the costs of paying off Anthem, Wellpoint, Humana and all the rest into the cost of producing their products while their competitors have no such costs." Sheesh. The stuff would almost write itself.
When Canada switched to Single Payer, the bill to do so was eight pages long. How much of the 2,000 pages of the PPACA do you think were special carveouts for the corporate masters?
As far as my comment being "delusional", I can only point out that the man actually said it. I'm being criticized for taking Obama at his word?
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Post #396,875
12/4/14 9:28:47 PM
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It's amazing that we see things so differently. Oh well.
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Post #396,879
12/5/14 11:07:40 AM
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Not that amazing
MM and I have a tendency to look at something that is bad and conclude that it is fucking atrocious. Your tendency is to say, well ick, but the other choice is probably worse. The solution is going to be very messy. Given. I accept this; you apparently don't. I can't speak for MM. Empires die. In one sense, we are living in end times, but not the way the religionists would have it. The country is moribund now; we will probably see it disintegrate. It will probably be, what's the word?, messy.
"Religion, n. A daughter of Hope and Fear, explaining to Ignorance the nature of the Unknowable." ~ AMBROSE BIERCE (1842-1914)
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