The origins of marriage are civil

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Post #391,509 by jake123 7/4/14 2:03:47 PM Reply	The origins of marriage are civil and far predate Christianity. If the Christianists want a special thing, they can come up with their own fucking name for it. Oh, and betrothed belongs to the pagans, so that's not one of the ones they can use.
Post #391,521 by Ashton 7/4/14 6:09:53 PM Reply	¡Precísamente! Your sophistry-cutter is keen, today.. mightn't that have something to do with Freedom (cha cha cha) n'stuff? celebrated today also via various Pagan rituals involving ..explosions, (hubris) and just plain jingoism of Xian-bent?

human sexuality is not a simple thing - (boxley) - (54) - June 20, 2014, 10:29:25 AM EDT

Here's the link to the first page - (drook) - June 20, 2014, 10:50:13 AM EDT

Gay? - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - June 20, 2014, 11:32:13 AM EDT

I'm impressed. - (folkert) - June 20, 2014, 11:57:31 AM EDT

(Second the Gregster's approval of no less than, wisdom-espied.) -NT - (Ashton) - June 20, 2014, 06:08:14 PM EDT

"the Gay and Lesbian Task Force in Washington, D.C." Holy crap. - (mmoffitt) - (49) - June 20, 2014, 01:48:38 PM EDT

why not? the white hetro christian right wing has a task force -NT - (boxley) - June 20, 2014, 01:50:34 PM EDT

not clear, mmoffitt - (rcareaga) - (47) - June 20, 2014, 04:02:49 PM EDT

I bow to thy superior Google-foo - (Ashton) - June 20, 2014, 06:02:30 PM EDT

I'd honestly prefer closets nailed shut, as you suggest. - (mmoffitt) - (45) - June 21, 2014, 08:57:42 PM EDT

Google is your friend. - (Another Scott) - June 21, 2014, 09:23:50 PM EDT

you are black, so what. You are hispanic so what. you are muslim so what - (boxley) - (4) - June 21, 2014, 09:38:44 PM EDT

(Believe I mentioned that small impediment, earlier-on?) in a thread far-away. - (Ashton) - June 22, 2014, 03:09:20 AM EDT

Well, paint rose colored glasses on me then. - (mmoffitt) - (2) - June 22, 2014, 08:06:42 PM EDT

Where did you get that idea? - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - June 22, 2014, 08:36:32 PM EDT

Right on, bro! -NT - (a6l6e6x) - June 22, 2014, 11:15:01 PM EDT

The problem? - (pwhysall) - (38) - June 22, 2014, 04:07:16 AM EDT

I am *NOT* putting my head in that game. - (mmoffitt) - (37) - June 22, 2014, 08:24:51 PM EDT

Finally, something you can fix - (drook) - June 22, 2014, 09:10:38 PM EDT

but the game is giving you head - (rcareaga) - (35) - June 22, 2014, 10:18:48 PM EDT

Another thing: - (rcareaga) - (34) - June 22, 2014, 10:24:47 PM EDT

Join the pack, iow. - (mmoffitt) - (33) - June 23, 2014, 09:17:06 AM EDT

Dude. Stop. - (pwhysall) - June 23, 2014, 09:41:15 AM EDT

Believe I've seen those movies - (rcareaga) - June 23, 2014, 09:46:46 AM EDT

trivial minority? - (crazy) - (29) - June 23, 2014, 09:48:43 AM EDT

And a timely example. - (Andrew Grygus) - (28) - June 23, 2014, 03:12:17 PM EDT

On the other hand, I liked this - (crazy) - (2) - June 23, 2014, 04:09:38 PM EDT

We had an event right here in La Crescenta. - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - June 23, 2014, 06:10:08 PM EDT

Perfect. They're being minimalized. - (mmoffitt) - June 24, 2014, 08:11:36 AM EDT

And won't the Presbyterian Church (USA) be better off? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (24) - June 23, 2014, 04:53:20 PM EDT

Yes in my opinion... - (folkert) - (23) - June 23, 2014, 09:34:37 PM EDT

But I think it is. - (mmoffitt) - (22) - June 24, 2014, 08:09:54 AM EDT

group A doesn't like rap or salsa -NT - (boxley) - June 24, 2014, 09:48:17 AM EDT

It is called... - (folkert) - (6) - June 24, 2014, 11:13:29 AM EDT

I've no argument with you. - (mmoffitt) - (5) - June 24, 2014, 01:54:12 PM EDT

No, they won't. - (pwhysall) - (3) - June 24, 2014, 02:40:50 PM EDT

Only Punitively. -NT - (folkert) - (2) - June 24, 2014, 02:50:27 PM EDT

True. - (pwhysall) - (1) - June 24, 2014, 02:51:39 PM EDT

After the fact though loses much of its impact... - (folkert) - June 24, 2014, 03:24:01 PM EDT

Ok. Understand achieved on this. - (folkert) - June 24, 2014, 02:49:52 PM EDT

Let's accept your premise - (drook) - (12) - June 24, 2014, 11:07:19 AM EDT

Re: should laws exist that are based on what we call "marriage" - (mmoffitt) - (11) - June 24, 2014, 12:57:04 PM EDT

moffat CCA works - (boxley) - (5) - June 24, 2014, 01:03:39 PM EDT

What about adoptions? -NT - (folkert) - (2) - June 24, 2014, 01:44:55 PM EDT

same way we do it now, register them -NT - (boxley) - (1) - June 24, 2014, 02:57:46 PM EDT

But you said DNA... - (folkert) - June 24, 2014, 03:24:43 PM EDT

DNA isn't simple, and it's getting more complicated. - (Another Scott) - (1) - June 29, 2014, 10:59:34 PM EDT

great, bring that up in your criminal trial, see how far you get :-) -NT - (boxley) - June 30, 2014, 09:05:28 AM EDT

Counterpoint from the Great White North. - (Another Scott) - (4) - June 24, 2014, 09:45:32 PM EDT

Heh. I guess I'm a lexicographer. - (mmoffitt) - (3) - June 25, 2014, 10:12:55 AM EDT

nails it exactly - (boxley) - (2) - June 25, 2014, 10:19:35 AM EDT

The origins of marriage are civil - (jake123) - (1) - July 4, 2014, 02:03:47 PM EDT

¡Precísamente! - (Ashton) - July 4, 2014, 06:09:53 PM EDT

Couldn't 'say' with any possible corroboration the source of your intransigence on this issue-set, - (Ashton) - June 24, 2014, 08:22:02 PM EDT

As an oft-contrarian I feel a smidgen-of-your-pain - (Ashton) - June 23, 2014, 04:48:57 PM EDT

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