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Post #384,406 by Another Scott 12/18/13 11:21:20 PM Reply	Quick answer... The fact that this was on Fox News makes me think that Woolsey and Shelton should be checked for dementia, but... Question for Another Scott: If the men who wrote the US Constitution, resurrected and brought up to speed on current events, sat in judgment on the two men, which one do you suppose they would regard as more faithful to the model of government-to-governed relations they laid out? If Madison were reanimated and asked that, I don't think he could answer. The idea of a permanent military was anathema to him and many others of that day. But he and others of that day had strong opinions about the importance of their "sacred honor" - Burr killed Hamilton in a duel in 1804. People who had a position of trust under the United States (or working to support the same), as Snowden did, would not be held up as heroes (e.g. consider Benedict Arnold in 1779 - http://en.wikipedia....g_to_change_sides ) after giving up secret information. Snowden won't be executed if he is convicted. The last federal execution was in 2003 - http://en.wikipedia....vilian_executions Woolsey's just shooting his mouth off. My $0.02. HTH. Cheers, Scott.
Post #384,410 by rcareaga 12/18/13 11:41:25 PM Reply	Myself, I think ...that Madison would regard Woolsey as far worse than the worst of George III's ministers. Do we not submit in America today to usurpations of our personal liberties on a scale undreamt of by the despots of that distant century? Regarding "sacred honor," the notion that Madison would be unable to distinguish between fidelity to the principles of the Constitution and the legalese of security boilerplate extorted by an instrument of naked tyranny, as he would certainly have regarded the NSA—well, it is to laugh. I'm a little disappointed, cordially,
Post #384,411 by Another Scott 12/19/13 12:05:36 AM Reply	I'm good at doing that (disappointment) these days. :-/
Post #384,419 by boxley 12/19/13 9:31:59 AM Reply	they have pills for that :-) Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
Post #384,424 by Another Scott 12/19/13 11:07:09 AM Reply	Indeed. http://wikiality.wik...t_Pharmaceuticals ;-) Cheers, Scott.
Post #384,428 by Ashton 12/19/13 3:57:35 PM Reply	Kings Berserxes and Truthonidas feel your pain They too are impaled on the Horns-of-a-Dilemma. (I am told that this is quite uncomfortable if the Dilemma is full-grown.) :-0 Hang in there.. the Solstice is nearly upon us--got yer greasepaint and torches yet?

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