A distinction without a difference.

Post #377,668 by CRConrad 7/6/13 6:34:26 PM Reply	A distinction without a difference. Mike Moffitts on: What I am saying is that same-sex marriage and heterosexual marriage are two different relationships (a point you conceded). Yeah, sure. But only in the most trivial sense imaginible: Yes, I concede that homosexual marriage is different from heterosexual marriage in that the former is not -- at present -- likely to result in offspring. Well, to be precise: Not the simultaneous traditionally biological offspring of both partners in the marriage. (Though I can see at least one way to get that, too.) What I didn't, and won't, concede is that this difference is in any way whatsoever significant. Marriage is one thing, procreation another, and conflating them is just simply muddled thinking. HTH! -- Christian R. Conrad Same old username (as above), but now on iki.fi (Yeah, yeah, it redirects to the same old GMail... But just in case I ever want to change.)
Post #377,686 by mmoffitt 7/7/13 1:06:17 PM Reply	And there it is. What I didn't, and won't, concede is that this difference is in any way whatsoever significant. Thank you for making my point. You assume that the relationships are sufficiently similar to raise an equal protection claim. You assume. Not prove. You have not demonstrated that the relationships are sufficiently similar, you've only claimed it. And upon the basis of that unsupported claim, you contend there is an equal protection case. You're certainly not alone in this flawed thinking, and it did prevail in the USSC case, but that hardly makes it "right."
Post #377,689 by drook 7/7/13 1:33:44 PM Reply	Not assume, declare My marriage to my wife is different from your marriage to your wife. Does that mean that laws applying to one can't apply to the other? My wife has short hair dyed pink, and I have a shaved head. How can that possibly be the same as your relationship? We as a society have declared that gender is not a legally significant difference for the purposes of legal protection. No matter how many "differences" you care to point out, you are trying to prove the falsity of a premise. That doesn't work. -- Drew
Post #377,692 by crazy 7/7/13 3:59:28 PM Reply	Oh, he won't answer this one http://en.wikipedia....nt_from_ignorance is his forte'
Post #377,728 by mmoffitt 7/8/13 1:25:35 PM Reply	Where and when was this declaration made? By whom and upon the basis of what? The rationale of the declaration can clearly not be the existence of a one-to-one onto mapping from the set of qualities of homosexual marriages to the set of qualities of heterosexual marriages. In any case, I reject your assertion that any such "declaration" has been made with respect to marriage. Between 1998 and 2012, there were 31 votes in 30 states on this issue, and in all but one case, voters agreed to limit marriage to opposite-sex couples. The single exception was in Arizona, where in 2006 voters rejected a same-sex marriage ban. However, Arizona voters went on to approve a ban in the 2008 election. In November 2012, Minnesota was the 31st state to consider a constitutional provision limiting marriage to opposite-sex couples, and they rejected their proposed ban. http://www.ncsl.org/...n-the-ballot.aspx I don't think "society" at large is with you on this. Not that it matters as the USSC is, apparently.

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