Wake up.

Post #377,644 by Another Scott 7/6/13 12:07:00 PM Reply	Wake up. People in the US have the right to marriage. See Loving v Virginia from 1967. http://www.law.corne...0388_0001_ZO.html Because we reject the notion that the mere "equal application" of a statute containing racial classifications is enough to remove the classifications from the Fourteenth Amendment's proscription of all invidious racial discriminations, we do not accept the State's contention that these statutes should be upheld if there is any possible basis for concluding that they serve a rational purpose. The mere fact of equal application does not mean that our analysis of these statutes should follow the approach we have taken in cases involving no racial discrimination where the Equal Protection Clause has been arrayed against a statute discriminating between the kinds of advertising which may be displayed on trucks in New York City, Railway Express Agency, Inc. v. New York, 336 U.S. 106 (1949), or an exemption in Ohio's ad valorem tax for merchandise owned by a nonresident in a storage warehouse, Allied Stores of Ohio, [p9] Inc. v. Bowers, 358 U.S. 522 (1959). In these cases, involving distinctions not drawn according to race, the Court has merely asked whether there is any rational foundation for the discriminations, and has deferred to the wisdom of the state legislatures. In the case at bar, however, we deal with statutes containing racial classifications, and the fact of equal application does not immunize the statute from the very heavy burden of justification which the Fourteenth Amendment has traditionally required of state statutes drawn according to race. [...] There is patently no legitimate overriding purpose independent of invidious racial discrimination which justifies this classification. The fact that Virginia prohibits only interracial marriages involving white persons demonstrates that the racial classifications must stand on their own justification, as measures designed to maintain White Supremacy. [n11] We have consistently denied [p12] the constitutionality of measures which restrict the rights of citizens on account of race. There can be no doubt that restricting the freedom to marry solely because of racial classifications violates the central meaning of the Equal Protection Clause. [...] These statutes also deprive the Lovings of liberty without due process of law in violation of the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men. tldr: Equal means Equal. HTH! Cheers, Scott.
Post #377,647 by mmoffitt 7/6/13 2:19:48 PM Reply	Racial discrimination is a different issue entirely.
Post #377,648 by Another Scott 7/6/13 2:22:57 PM Reply	Equal protection is Equal protection. QED.
Post #377,651 by mmoffitt 7/6/13 2:54:28 PM Reply	Can we discriminate against polygamists? If so, why? Who are you to say their "love" isn't real? I don't want to go down this road, but Christian already conceded a "difference in relationship" on the topic at hand. There was no such difference in relationship when the issue was race. Haven't we beat this up enough? You have your view and I have the correct one. I can live with that. Can you? ;0)
Post #377,653 by Another Scott 7/6/13 3:10:21 PM Reply	Is polygamist marriage legal in the US? No. Even immigrants that have multiple wives must obey US law that prohibits polygamy. http://www.legalzoom...t-legal-immigrate Under US law, legal marriage = legal marriage because of the 14th Amendment (among other things). Haven't we beat this up enough? You have your view and I have the correct one. I can live with that. Can you? ;0) Sure. You can have the last word. (For a while... :-) Cheers, Scott.
Post #377,662 by mmoffitt 7/6/13 5:13:02 PM Reply	How about Amendment 10? AFAIK, "marriage" is a State thing, right? The US Constitution is silent on it, right? That would mean it's up to the States, right? Oh, but wait. You're from up north, right? ;0)
Post #377,667 by boxley 7/6/13 6:31:41 PM Reply	was legal in utah before statehood legal in many parts of the world, even in texas. When the feds told qanah parker he could only have one wife, he told the agent that the agent could go in the house and tell them. Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
Post #377,661 by boxley 7/6/13 5:01:37 PM Reply	uh, no. Just wont allow them to get stamped by the gummint Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
Post #377,663 by mmoffitt 7/6/13 5:14:31 PM Reply	Concur. The state no longer has an interest in marriage.
Post #377,681 by Ashton 7/7/13 5:08:00 AM Reply	Re: Wake up. ... Interesting that they cited Korematsu http://www.law.corne...0323_0214_ZS.html (presumably) as an Example of legitimate overriding purpose independent of invidious racial discrimination. But not an explicit ... a tacit deduction to be made: because they granted Cert. And USSC did so in 12/'43--thus denying a reversal of Korematsu's appeal against: A) Being singled-out for banishment from this 'military area'--only because of his Japanese ancestry. USSC declared that, then: Constitutional. B) Yet while the 'banishment' was found Constitutional, the matter of 'reporting to assembly centers' aka concentration camps was explicitly Not-considered in this Cert, even though the Cert Finding itself, said 3. Even though evacuation and detention in the assembly center were inseparable, the order under which the petitioner was convicted was nevertheless valid. P. 223. CERTIORARI, 321 U.S. 760, to review the affirmance of a judgment of conviction. Emphasis? hell when you read it: that bold + underline comes out in the Voice! Another example, IMO of the pseudo-science of the law + [or via] an {undefinable} level of Judicial 'discretion'--which here seems to limn Piet Hein: sweet and undefinable, like the pineapple All of which illustrates, I wot--that it is an illusory koan, We are a nation of laws, not men. And even if one buys that, given the n-thousands of cases [imagine pre-computer Look-Ups, employing miles of bookshelves] ... rhetoric shall be indispensable) whether or not Tyranny of Words is accepted as an authoritative/relevant document--thus assuring all that follows from the ~~missing Referents~~ er, Paper Chase. ie. One can never prove the ~equivalence of racial- gender- discrimination--within the zeitgerist of a given time without nuance approaching the ineffable: http://en.wikipedia....ki/Fred_Korematsu When such orders were issued for the West Coast, Korematsu instead became a fugitive. The legality of the internment order was upheld by the United States Supreme Court in Korematsu v. United States, but Korematsu's conviction was overturned decades later after the disclosure of new evidence challenging the necessity of the internment, which had been [] withheld from the courts by the U.S. government* during the war. To commemorate his journey as a civil rights activist, the "Fred Korematsu Day of Civil Liberties and the Constitution" was observed for first time on January 30, 2011, by the state of California, and first such commemoration for an Asian American in the US.[1][2] * Let's dust-off THAT rationale for finally reversing Korematsu's conviction, apply it to The Perpetual War on Terror--and force a Declaration affecting both Exec and Congressional branches: (call it) The War on tError is Over Act; all Rights suspended/stapled/mutilated since 9/11/01 are declared Restored, the Suspensions declared null/void and Icky. Maybe that capacity for endless argument with no appreciation for Scale, is why we see by THIS USSC, just how omnipresent is the execrable Gaming of Systems (as may kill us re any reform of 'finance' (or any timely response to planetary matters)--via premeditated running-out-the clock.] May the next species be capable of self-government: for a First.

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