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New That sounds convoluted and far-fetched.
Sure, real genuine universal health-care would be a great thing, and is an important goal for a society that wants to see itself as truly civilised.

But conflating that with tax breaks for families and using it as an argument against treating all kinds of families somewhat fairly seems wildly irrelevant.

So much so that I can't help thinking it's just an over-intellectualisation of what is basically homophobia that you don't dare admit to openly; perhaps not even to yourself.
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Christian R. Conrad
Same old username (as above), but now on iki.fi

(Yeah, yeah, it redirects to the same old GMail... But just in case I ever want to change.)
New no, he is pissed because he cant steal dead peoples money
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
New I'm a homophobe because I want ...
healthcare guaranteed for existing children before I want to allow medical science to create new kids for the monied class. And you say I'm stretching?

And these vaunted "tax breaks"? Jesus, the first 5 million is tax exempt already ferchrissakes. And if your estate is worth more than 5 million in my country, you've done something unethical (at the very least) to amass that wealth. Or do you think they all "earned it"?
New Back-pedaling much?
Who's talking inheritance tax here? Only you; not me, anyway. You've been saying (if I'm not misremembering?) that you're against all tax breaks and other preferential treatment for married couples. And then you got onto universal health-care, apparently arguing the lack of this as some kind of support for your resistance to marriage preferentialism. It's not I who am introducing and connecting wildly disparate things; it's you.
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Christian R. Conrad
Same old username (as above), but now on iki.fi

(Yeah, yeah, it redirects to the same old GMail... But just in case I ever want to change.)
New If you change premises, you have to change conclusions.
     Survey on DOMA. - (Another Scott) - (114)
         Done. -NT - (mmoffitt)
         Done. -NT - (hnick)
         Also done. -NT - (Andrew Grygus)
         Done also. -NT - (a6l6e6x)
         Seriously done! -NT - (folkert)
         Check - (drook) - (106)
             Affects the tax base. - (mmoffitt) - (11)
                 Bzzzzt, thank you for playing - (drook) - (9)
                     I think he means the actual case at hand. - (Another Scott) - (7)
                         That's *her* standing - (drook) - (6)
                             I think the argument is... - (Another Scott) - (5)
                                 Even if true ... - (drook)
                                 That's as may be... - (malraux) - (3)
                                     Now you're getting there. But, ... - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                         why pay a penalty for not being single? -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                             There's a negative economic impact in cohabitation. - (mmoffitt)
                     I was unclear. - (mmoffitt)
                 costly to the taxpayer? It's not your money - (boxley)
             But it *will* affect you! - (pwhysall) - (6)
                 Are you SURE you don't live here? - (hnick) - (5)
                     Even up in the north... - (folkert) - (4)
                         Huh, wha? I've never been to the Netherlands! -NT - (CRConrad) - (3)
                             Ummm... - (folkert) - (2)
                                 I've never Reformed any Churchies either! -NT - (CRConrad) - (1)
                                     Jussa so's yews noes... - (folkert)
             WOW. - (mmoffitt) - (86)
                 Um... Justice? - (hnick) - (85)
                     Nonsense. Did they have kids? - (mmoffitt) - (84)
                         Really? - (Another Scott) - (2)
                             Maybe in the short term. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                 The number you want is "new household formation". - (Another Scott)
                         so you are one of them - (boxley)
                         Re: Nonsense. Did they have kids? - (hnick) - (58)
                             Sans kids, what are the societal benefits of marriage? - (mmoffitt) - (57)
                                 I remember arguing with Ben why atheists want to marry - (boxley) - (1)
                                     Man, I am *NOT* making my point about marriage. - (mmoffitt)
                                 Re: Sans kids, what are the societal benefits of marriage? - (Another Scott) - (54)
                                     So what? - (mmoffitt) - (53)
                                         Re: So what? - (Another Scott) - (52)
                                             :0) - (mmoffitt) - (51)
                                                 That's rough. - (Another Scott) - (50)
                                                     I don't think your marriage is a sham marriage. - (mmoffitt) - (49)
                                                         How about mine? - (crazy) - (1)
                                                             No societal benefit != no benefit. - (mmoffitt)
                                                         I wasn't pointing at you specifically. - (Another Scott) - (46)
                                                             No. Come on, Scott, have I really been that unclear? - (mmoffitt) - (45)
                                                                 There's a difference between "expected" and "the purpose" - (drook) - (3)
                                                                     Thank you. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                                                         I think it went off the rails here. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                                             Yep, that was subjective. - (mmoffitt)
                                                                 We're talking past each other. - (Another Scott) - (40)
                                                                     I think that's slightly disingenuous. - (mmoffitt) - (39)
                                                                         See above. I don't know how to say more... -NT - (Another Scott) - (27)
                                                                             Dude, Seriously? - (mmoffitt) - (26)
                                                                                 Expectations change. - (Another Scott) - (25)
                                                                                     An equal protection claim assumes the result. - (mmoffitt) - (24)
                                                                                         you are confused - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                                             Yeah, I didn't get a call. Stupid b*stards. :0) -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                                                                         BZZT - sorry, elementary logic lacking. - (CRConrad) - (21)
                                                                                             on A3) dont forget to steal all their stuff as well. -NT - (boxley)
                                                                                             First, I never said "reproduction was a requirement". - (mmoffitt) - (19)
                                                                                                 On your addendum. - (Another Scott)
                                                                                                 Yes you did. But never mind that; let's talk people in stead - (CRConrad) - (17)
                                                                                                     My last bit. A little clarification. - (mmoffitt) - (16)
                                                                                                         Wake up. - (Another Scott) - (9)
                                                                                                             Racial discrimination is a different issue entirely. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (7)
                                                                                                                 Equal protection is Equal protection. QED. -NT - (Another Scott) - (6)
                                                                                                                     Can we discriminate against polygamists? - (mmoffitt) - (5)
                                                                                                                         Is polygamist marriage legal in the US? - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                                                                                                             How about Amendment 10? - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                                                                                                                 was legal in utah before statehood - (boxley)
                                                                                                                         uh, no. Just wont allow them to get stamped by the gummint -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                                                                             Concur. The state no longer has an interest in marriage. -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                                                                                             Re: Wake up. ... Interesting that they cited Korematsu - (Ashton)
                                                                                                         A distinction without a difference. - (CRConrad) - (4)
                                                                                                             And there it is. - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                                                                                                                 Not assume, *declare* - (drook) - (2)
                                                                                                                     Oh, he won't answer this one - (crazy)
                                                                                                                     Where and when was this declaration made? - (mmoffitt)
                                                                                                         Sorry, you still lost about six levels ago. - (CRConrad)
                                                                         state involvement in marriage was about division of property - (boxley) - (10)
                                                                             Among DESCENDANTS, right? - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                                                                 absolutely, now with dna you dont need contracts to - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                                     I'm with you. - (mmoffitt)
                                                                             <sigh> - (Another Scott) - (6)
                                                                                 why, I was right that time as well :-) -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                                     Heh. No. :-) -NT - (Another Scott)
                                                                                 How'd I miss that thread? ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                                                                                     Just lucky I guess. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                                                                         The best part is... - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                                                                             Indeed! -NT - (Another Scott)
                         Things we have: "adoption", "artificial insemination"... - (malraux) - (20)
                             Adoption and Artificial insemination rely on others. - (mmoffitt) - (19)
                                 "Zero chance" is BS - (malraux) - (18)
                                     Drop it, it's not about sex - (drook) - (9)
                                         He's only talking about the sex. -NT - (CRConrad) - (8)
                                             No, I'm not. Everyone else is. - (mmoffitt) - (7)
                                                 now I'm confused - (boxley) - (1)
                                                     No. - (mmoffitt)
                                                 Yes you are, of course. Straight hetero making-babies sex. - (CRConrad) - (4)
                                                     Um, No. - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                                                         thats one convert :-) -NT - (boxley)
                                                         Succinct, sure -- but above all, WRONG. - (CRConrad) - (1)
                                                             I'm aware of the shady company I'm keeping. - (mmoffitt)
                                     I'll answer. Again. - (mmoffitt) - (7)
                                         what savings - (boxley) - (1)
                                             I'm on your side. - (mmoffitt)
                                         That sounds convoluted and far-fetched. - (CRConrad) - (4)
                                             no, he is pissed because he cant steal dead peoples money -NT - (boxley)
                                             I'm a homophobe because I want ... - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                                 Back-pedaling much? - (CRConrad) - (1)
                                                     If you change premises, you have to change conclusions. -NT - (mmoffitt)
         Done ... to a crisp. - (Ashton) - (1)
             Methinks this thread (also) is done to a crisp. - (Ashton)

One. Two. Three. Ah, ha ha ha ha ha!
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