I really wonder what's going on behind the scenes on Plan B.

Post #374,865 by Another Scott 5/10/13 4:00:55 PM Reply	I really wonder what's going on behind the scenes on Plan B. In December 2011 the FDA found that Plan B was safe for over-the-counter sales. HHS Secretary Sebelius said no. FDA statement: http://www.fda.gov/N...oom/ucm282805.htm Sebelius statement: http://www.hhs.gov/n...12/20111207a.html The issue is in court and the judge is pissed off with the Obama Adminstration's attempt to delay and finesse his ruling: http://www.reuters.c...BRE9490NG20130510 This is a bit of a mystery to me. I read somewhere an argument that this was Obama trying to make sure the drug went through every possible appeal process so that it didn't end up being just an executive decision that could be reversed in the next administration. Maybe, but it sure seems to be a ham-fisted way to go about it. It looks more like Obama let Sebelius run this her way and now has to sit back and let it play out in a way that will only damage him (and her). Very curious. Cheers, Scott. (Who thinks that if a, say, 12 year old is inseminated, almost any safe and effective way that makes it easy for her to terminate the pregnancy before it starts is a good thing. She's not going to have an ID, and she's not going to want to talk to a pharmacist, and she may have good reasons for not talking to her parent(s). Pregnancy for such a young woman is dangerous. Making Plan B over the counter is a no-brainer given the FDA's findings.)
Post #374,866 by boxley 5/10/13 4:39:15 PM Reply	perhaps because it is illegal to have consensual sex under the age of 16 and a prescription would place a reporting burden on a provider? Thats all I can think of, but that is a states rights issue Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
Post #374,944 by lincoln 5/13/13 8:38:17 AM Reply	Re: perhaps because it is illegal to have consensual sex states rights issue That's what a Republican says whenever the federal government tries to have stricter gun laws, and what they're too cowardly to say whenever a state tries to legalize same-sex marriage. Satan (impatiently) to Newcomer: The trouble with you Chicago people is, that you think you are the best people down here; whereas you are merely the most numerous. - - - Mark Twain ÂPuddÂnhead WilsonÂs New Calendar,Â 1897
Post #374,960 by crazy 5/13/13 11:36:58 AM Reply	BS Human rights issue
Post #374,981 by CRConrad 5/13/13 6:18:03 PM Reply	Personally, I love Plan B. Can't get enough of the stuff! http://www.alko.fi/tuotteet/en/429867 Glug, glug... -- Christian R. Conrad Same old username (as above), but now on iki.fi (Yeah, yeah, it redirects to the same old GMail... But just in case I ever want to change.)
Post #374,985 by Another Scott 5/13/13 6:52:55 PM Reply	$16.60 a bottle for a screw cap?!?! Yikes! :-)
Post #374,987 by folkert 5/13/13 6:54:28 PM Reply	After so much... Its hard to put a corkscrew in the bottle stopper. -- greg@gregfolkert.net PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C
Post #376,233 by CRConrad 6/11/13 6:36:25 AM Reply	Screw caps are better than cork; even the new plastic "cork" Just yesterday I had to carry a bottle of Tarapaca CSS ( http://www.alko.fi/en/products/005415/ ) back to the store to exchange for a new one, because the first one was corked. I've _n_e_v_e_r_ had that happen with a screw-cap bottle. So this $13.25 wine wasn't all that much helped by it's natural cork... That old-fashionable snobbery has been disproven, IMO. -- Christian R. Conrad Same old username (as above), but now on iki.fi (Yeah, yeah, it redirects to the same old GMail... But just in case I ever want to change.)
Post #376,234 by Andrew Grygus 6/11/13 7:13:12 AM Reply	It is true that screw caps are far more reliable . . . . . than the old corks, and have similar "breathing" properties. That said, I still prefer the new composite corks on purely aesthetic grounds. Opening a screw cap just doesn't provide the same satisfaction.
Post #376,259 by pwhysall 6/11/13 12:07:26 PM Reply	Opening, true. Closing, less so.
Post #376,265 by Andrew Grygus 6/11/13 1:20:33 PM Reply	I haven't a problem there, provided . . . . . it's done fairly soon - and what was the top goes in first (it's usually a bit smaller due to the neck shape).
Post #376,237 by Another Scott 6/11/13 7:30:14 AM Reply	Screw caps are good. Boxes are better. I was just funning with ya. The wine I get most often is some Charles Shaw stuff from Trader Joe's. It's around $3.29 a bottle here and has real corks. http://www.wellesley...ng-or-are-we.html It's a waste, really. I think I read a decade or two ago that the cork trees were endangered due to over-harvesting, but I guess that somehow that isn't an issue now if real cork can be used in such cheap wine (, and flooring, and who knows what else). J prefers the 5-liter box wines. They can be cheap, and the environmental impact is potentially less. No corks there, either. ;-) Cheers, Scott.
Post #376,252 by Andrew Grygus 6/11/13 10:55:28 AM Reply	Cork trees endangered? Not likely. Cork is the outer bark of a variety of oak tree. It is stripped off without damage to the tree. There can be shortages in supply though. There is a shortage of the quality of bark that you can drill full size corks out of in the traditional way. Most cork products are made from ground up bark. The corks in the Crane Lake wine which is my daily guzzle have 1/8 inch layer of cut cork at each end. These disks are bonded to the body which is made of bonded ground cork. These are very good corks with no seepage problems at all, and are much nicer than foam plastic corks.
Post #376,253 by Another Scott 6/11/13 11:09:04 AM Reply	Interesting. WWF says lack of use in wine endangers them... From 2006: http://www.ens-newsw...2006-05-15-01.asp "The cork oak forests could face an economic and environmental crisis unless we take action to secure their future now," said Rebecca May, a forests campaigner at with WWF-UK. "It is vital that the wine and cork industries maintain the market for cork stoppers and in turn, help ensure the survival of the cork oak forests." Cheers, Scott.
Post #376,254 by drook 6/11/13 11:27:17 AM Reply	Just like mahogany People tried to "protect" mahogany and with no buyers you could no longer sell it. But nothing stopped you from burning it all down and grazing cattle that you could sell to McDonalds. -- Drew
Post #376,266 by Andrew Grygus 6/11/13 1:35:06 PM Reply	Do-gooder projects very often produce bad results. Do-gooders are generally highly committed single issue activists who ignore all the surrounding factors and even deny any that counter their pet project. I recently read an article (Natural History or Smithsonian) by a person who actually participated in a project to save the savanna in Africa. It was supposedly degraded by elephants, so more than 40,000 elephants were shot. The immediate effect was accelerated degradation of the savanna. Many other do-gooder projects have had similar results.
Post #376,309 by jake123 6/12/13 1:05:37 AM Reply	His name's Allan Savory that's something he did many years ago. He gave a TED talk about it: Re: http://www.ted.com/t...imate_change.html
Post #376,310 by Andrew Grygus 6/12/13 1:21:25 AM 6/12/13 1:23:16 AM Reply	Thanx Sheesh - had to edit a single word - it's late - obviously past my bed time - even though it's an hour earlier than usual. Edited by Andrew Grygus June 12, 2013, 01:23:16 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #376,357 by a6l6e6x 6/12/13 8:47:30 PM Reply	Very interesting, Jake. Thanks! Alex
Post #376,435 by CRConrad 6/14/13 5:49:59 PM Reply	Yeah, I knew you were. Decided to use it as a take-off point for a serious rant -- nah, just a public service message, really -- anyway. Anki and I haven't really got into boxes yet; dunno why, I don't doubt that they're even smarter. On the 3.29 bottle of wine: Envy, envy! Never seen prices like that, except on vacation in the south of France last year. -- Christian R. Conrad Same old username (as above), but now on iki.fi (Yeah, yeah, it redirects to the same old GMail... But just in case I ever want to change.)
Post #374,986 by folkert 5/13/13 6:53:40 PM Reply	Oh wow... One Plan B leads to another Plan B. -- greg@gregfolkert.net PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C
Post #375,190 by Another Scott 5/18/13 7:32:56 AM Reply	Amanda Marcotte at Women in Secularism - 2 Kate Donovan live-blogged her speech: http://freethoughtbl...in-ending-sexism/ 4:00 2011: in which we have to talk about whether or not teenage girls are capable of figuring out how to take a pill that you put in your mouth and then swallow. Yup. <sigh> (via Pharyngula) Cheers, Scott.
Post #375,191 by drook 5/18/13 8:59:31 AM Reply	I don't know If they knew how to put something in their mouth and swallow they wouldn't be needing the pill. Thank you, I'll be here all week. -- Drew
Post #375,196 by boxley 5/18/13 1:26:18 PM Reply	wouldnt need a girlfriend either Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
Post #376,221 by Another Scott 6/10/13 10:36:38 PM Reply	Available to women of all ages. Finally. http://thinkprogress...omen-of-all-ages/ The Justice Department announced on Monday that it will allow the most popular morning after pill, Plan B, to be available over the counter to women of all ages, dropping its appeal of a federal court order. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) said in a statement that it has Âasked the manufacturer of Plan B One-Step to submit a supplemental application seeking approval of the one-pill product to be made available O.T.C. without any such restrictionsÂ and Âintends to approve it promptly.Â Generic versions may also be eventually approved. The morning after pill prevents conception Âif taken within 72 hours after sexual intercourse.Â [...] Cheers, Scott.
Post #376,226 by Andrew Grygus 6/11/13 12:31:31 AM Reply	The churches are slowly losing their control . . . . . of sex and reproduction. This control is the true foundation of their social power. They know that, and will fight every inch of the way. Note that one of the first things any authoritarian regime does is repress sexuality. When they have you by the balls, they know they really have you.
Post #376,228 by Ashton 6/11/13 1:24:24 AM Reply	Our future: cognitive dissonance. A) A planet overpopulated (for sating anything remotely like ... current rich-country appetites/norms.) B) Churches, previously, were for unlimited reproduction (multiply Our sect!) C) To decimate population, less horrifically than via our usual means--needs all manner of social persuasion, maybe later: more than just persuasion. D) Reconcile AB&C.
Post #376,230 by hnick 6/11/13 6:02:12 AM Reply	Shiny! Over there! His stooge shouldn't have been making political decisions about medical issues in the first place. Those footprints you see are your own; we've been here before. Nothing new to see...

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