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Post #37,300
by pwhysall
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5/3/02 12:41:11 AM
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New Still wrong.
You can get Java on a mobile phone or a Palm Pilot.

[link|http://java.sun.com/products/cldc/|http://java.sun.com/products/cldc/]

"At the heart of CLDC is Sun's K virtual machine (KVM), a virtual machine designed from the ground up with the constraints of inexpensive mobile devices in mind. Named to reflect that its size is measured in the tens of kilobytes, CLDC is suitable for devices with 16/32-bit RISC/CISC microprocessors/controllers, and with as little as 160 KB of total memory available -- 128 KB of which is for the storage of the actual virtual machine and libraries themselves."

128KBytes

At what point do you concede?

Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #37,353
by tablizer
5/3/02 1:13:38 PM
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New You are missing the point.
It is *not* the size of the VM that matters. Besides, the mobile-phone VM's don't have "normal" GUI widgets like scrollable grids.

It is having to download *app-specific* programming code that is the problem. Mainly because:

1. Creates security problems when coders find ways around VM security.

2. Takes too long to download the app-specific code.

3. Enhances browser/client versioning issues because a "dynamic" language is more complex than a "static" one.

4. Allows business logic to go to the client, creating more security risks (similar, but not identical to #1 since one is harming the client and the other the biz). VM-destined code is relatively easily disectable. A server based solution does not normally allow one to see the biz logic code itself, including the compiled form.
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     Flashback - (drewk) - (32) - April 18, 2002, 03:13:26 PM EDT
         DOM is a lost cause - (tablizer) - (31) - April 24, 2002, 01:56:44 PM EDT
             I disagree. - (static) - (2) - April 26, 2002, 08:20:16 AM EDT
                 consistent bugs - (tablizer) - (1) - April 26, 2002, 10:42:39 PM EDT
                     Haven't tried IE6. - (static) - April 27, 2002, 04:41:57 AM EDT
             Perhaps you should read this: - (pwhysall) - (27) - April 28, 2002, 11:29:44 AM EDT
                 event driven - (tablizer) - (26) - May 1, 2002, 02:03:28 PM EDT
                     Quoting - (ChrisR) - (6) - May 1, 2002, 02:48:49 PM EDT
                         WYSIWYG - (tablizer) - (5) - May 3, 2002, 12:25:26 AM EDT
                             Use blockquote. - (pwhysall) - (4) - May 3, 2002, 12:44:36 AM EDT
                                 still not WYSIWYG - (tablizer) - (3) - May 3, 2002, 01:02:41 PM EDT
                                     Get over yourself - (pwhysall) - (2) - May 4, 2002, 02:15:47 AM EDT
                                         whatever - (tablizer) - (1) - May 4, 2002, 11:39:41 PM EDT
                                             Mistyped HTML... - (admin) - May 5, 2002, 09:50:33 PM EDT
                     GUIs over HTTP. - (pwhysall) - (8) - May 1, 2002, 03:31:32 PM EDT
                         Java applets == fat client (-nt) - (tablizer) - (7) - May 2, 2002, 12:30:12 PM EDT
                             Er, no. - (pwhysall) - (6) - May 3, 2002, 12:10:45 AM EDT
                                 Obese - (tablizer) - (5) - May 3, 2002, 12:22:36 AM EDT
                                     Still wrong. - (pwhysall) - (1) - May 3, 2002, 12:41:11 AM EDT
                                         You are missing the point. - (tablizer) - May 3, 2002, 01:13:38 PM EDT
                                     I've got a better example. - (static) - (2) - May 12, 2002, 08:39:37 AM EDT
                                         Exception to the rule - (tablizer) - (1) - May 13, 2002, 02:41:25 PM EDT
                                             Huh? - (imric) - May 13, 2002, 02:55:53 PM EDT
                     Re: event driven -> ASP.NET - (altmann) - (9) - May 1, 2002, 05:09:29 PM EDT
                         Real GUI's or bust - (tablizer) - (8) - May 2, 2002, 12:55:09 PM EDT
                             I realize... - (altmann) - (2) - May 2, 2002, 02:40:00 PM EDT
                                 question, and Master Image - (tablizer) - (1) - May 2, 2002, 08:51:28 PM EDT
                                     Similar to .NET - (altmann) - May 2, 2002, 11:07:54 PM EDT
                             I find CGI approach wonderfully limiting - (tseliot) - (4) - May 3, 2002, 02:28:33 PM EDT
                                 Agree for the most part... - (ChrisR) - May 3, 2002, 03:15:02 PM EDT
                                 Spank-A-Matic ? - (tablizer) - (2) - May 4, 2002, 11:54:32 PM EDT
                                     Sorry, I misunderstood. - (tseliot) - (1) - May 6, 2002, 12:42:07 PM EDT
                                         The pudding is not even in alpha - (tablizer) - May 7, 2002, 08:22:27 PM EDT

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