Re: What are you talking about????

Post #37,149 by a6l6e6x 5/1/02 10:18:05 PM Reply	Re: What are you talking about???? The IDF said it is holding 1,200 Palestinian suspects in connection with terrorism, and it is reopening Ktziot internment camp in southern Israel's Negev desert for those detained. [link\|http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/04/05/mideast/\|CNN link.] Ring any bells? Alex "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
Post #37,161 by bluke 5/2/02 1:25:12 AM Reply	Oh you mean like the US ... who arrested over 1000 people after Sept. 11 and wouldn't say who they were etc.? As usual you exaggerate, these people are under suspicion for terrorist activity, they will be questioned and if innocent released, if not brought to trial.
Post #37,219 by a6l6e6x 5/2/02 1:53:28 PM Reply	Re: Oh you mean like the US ... Well, US did not start with ALL males 15 to 45 years old. Alex "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
Post #37,243 by bluke 5/2/02 4:16:26 PM Reply	No, the US started ... with Arabs, who were likely suspects. Israel is starting with men 15-45 because they are likely suspects, very simple.
Post #37,389 by a6l6e6x 5/3/02 5:59:35 PM Reply	There are an estimanted 3 million Arabs in US. Perhaps 0.1% of the males were affected. Alex "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
Post #37,360 by inthane-chan 5/3/02 2:20:07 PM Reply	Unfortunately, ...that's not how it's happening. There was something in the Seattle P-I or Sunday Seattle Times (and I haven't been able to find it) that talks about the 12-1500 9/11 detainees, and their treatment. No visitors, no lawyers, no nothing. And when the FBI is done with them, the INS tries to deport them, once again without any due process. The technique is thus: The FBI says that the people being held are "material witnesses" not "prisoners" and are being held in "protective custody." It's basically the same name games that Shrub played with the "Detainees" at Guantanamo. And no, I don't approve of it any more when the nation of my origin does it than when Israel does it. Let them face the charges against them in a court of law, with legal representation, especially if they are U.S. citizens. "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Post #37,376 by Another Scott 5/3/02 4:49:05 PM 5/3/02 6:02:55 PM Reply	Related: Judge rules detaining "material witnesses" unconst. {edit - fixed typo in title.} [link\|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A11562-2002Apr30.html\|Washington Post story] from 4/30/02. The judge, Shira A. Scheindlin, ruled that the Justice Department has overreached in imprisoning as "material witnesses" men the authorities believe might have information for grand juries investigating terrorism. She dismissed perjury charges against a Jordanian student, Osama Awadallah, 21, concluding that the information the government collected in its investigation must be suppressed because the suspect had been "unlawfully detained." "If the government has probable cause to believe a person has committed a crime, it may arrest that person," Scheindlin wrote. "But since 1789, no Congress has granted the government the authority to imprison an innocent person in order to guarantee that he will testify before a grand jury conducting a criminal investigation." Legal experts predicted the ruling could have far-reaching implications because the material-witness statute has emerged as a key tool in the government's investigation of terrorism after last year's attacks on the Pentagon and World Trade Center. In addition to detaining people as material witnesses, authorities have arrested hundreds of others on charges of immigration violations and crimes unrelated to terrorism -- though the exact number is not known because of the Justice Department's policy of secrecy in the inquiry. Cheers, Scott. Edited by Another Scott May 3, 2002, 06:02:55 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #37,382 by Ashton 5/3/02 5:34:52 PM Reply	Perhaps there is some hope, then that the entire {ugh} PATRIOT Act shall be dismantled piece-by-piece into its ugly components - unConstitutional in thought, prolly in legal wordsmanship too. Yea! Judge Scheindlin! Ashton WTF are all them 'Conservatives' -?- If the &^$#$% Constitution ain't worth 'Conserving', then is it Just the Personal-$$ these folk are besotted with 'Conserving' ?

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