Some differences

Post #369,362 by drook 1/8/13 10:58:44 AM Reply	Some differences I'm really sympathetic to the comparison of gun laws to drug laws and the disproportionate impact on minorities. But there are some differences: * Drug laws have been almost entirely back-door methods to target minorities. Gun laws attempt to address real issues, but enforcement -- as with all laws -- tends to be biased. * Drug use is mostly victimless, and without a victim IMO there can't be a crime. The gun use that continually prompts debates very clearly has victims. * Guns, when used as intended, cause injury and death. (Don't say "target shooting". We all know that's a low-percentage red herring.) Drugs are not intended to cause injury and death, though many do as a side-effect. If your position (addressing Box here, not Crazy) is that 26 people (including 20 children) killed is such a rare event, and so small compared to the total population, that it's not worth the enforcement effort needed to prevent it, make the case. Logically it's actually not a bad position. But that position will have zero support among typical parents. And like it or not, there are more of them than there are of you. So if you don't want laws passed that are going to disproportionately affect minorities, you're going to have to come up with an alternative. Because eventually something is going to change. -- Drew
Post #369,364 by boxley 1/8/13 11:29:05 AM Reply	I don't have to come up with anything you (inclusive you) claim that you want to stop events like this in the future. Nothing you propose will do that. You are simply using that event to push a social agenda. Some folks (Lincoln I'm looking at you) don't understand basic facts about the weapons in question. They just want a "feel good" law passed. That is what will probably happen. Doesn'y mean its right, does mean that it will be used as another tool to suppress those who don't support the elites. Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 57 years. meep
Post #369,371 by drook 1/8/13 12:54:58 PM Reply	No I'm not using it to push a social agenda. I don't want things like this to happen. I see that they don't happen so often in other places that don't have as many guns. It's possible there are other things that would be more effective (at preventing future spree killings) than removing the guns, or less of an imposition on those who make legitimate use of guns, but I haven't heard them. -- Drew
Post #369,377 by boxley 1/8/13 1:32:10 PM Reply	so specifically what would you do to prevent "I don't want things like this to happen" that doesn't include copy pasta from other cultures that you actually think would have stopped the last two major events? Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 57 years. meep
Post #369,386 by drook 1/8/13 3:26:20 PM Reply	I thought that was clear: less guns -- Drew
Post #369,392 by boxley 1/8/13 4:07:51 PM Reply	and that works exactly how? Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 57 years. meep
Post #369,394 by drook 1/8/13 4:32:53 PM Reply	People without guns can't shoot anyone -- Drew
Post #369,396 by Another Scott 1/8/13 5:04:00 PM Reply	But they'd just use trebuchets instead!!!11
Post #369,397 by drook 1/8/13 5:08:02 PM Reply	People with guns can't shoot anyone with guns -- Drew
Post #369,399 by malraux 1/8/13 5:09:40 PM Reply	A society armed with trebuchets is a polite society Or at least one with lots of trailers and pickup trucks. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #369,406 by mmoffitt 1/8/13 6:36:43 PM Reply	And launch cows with them.
Post #369,411 by malraux 1/8/13 7:23:30 PM Reply	Fetchez la vache! Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #369,400 by boxley 1/8/13 5:46:54 PM Reply	how do you propose to do that 250 million of them out there? Cmon now all of the whaily and gnashin, tell us folks how you propose to do exactly that. By the way, by doing so keep in mind that I and others would prefer that you don't get a chance to do that. Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 57 years. meep
Post #369,401 by drook 1/8/13 5:57:24 PM Reply	Changing the argument Are you saying "We shouldn't" or "We can't"? If you're saying "We shouldn't", then what should we do instead? If you're saying "We can't", then ... well, same question actually. -- Drew
Post #369,403 by boxley 1/8/13 6:18:28 PM Reply	ah, I see. No clue at all, just emotions Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 57 years. meep
Post #369,428 by folkert 1/9/13 1:17:06 AM Reply	BINGO! DIG DING DING! AOOO-GAH! Perfectly stated. This is completely and utterly an EMOTIONAL thing for you. We all knew it. Thank you for finally admitting it! Now, go get some counseling. -- greg@gregfolkert.net PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C
Post #369,440 by boxley 1/9/13 8:38:23 AM Reply	take yer meds Greg Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 57 years. meep
Post #369,445 by folkert 1/9/13 10:03:05 AM Reply	Don't have any bucky. You need some Counseling to deal with your issue. -- greg@gregfolkert.net PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C
Post #369,429 by crazy 1/9/13 2:31:24 AM Reply	You did WHAT? You pulled a PROTECT THE CHEEELDRUN out of your ass for this? WTF is wrong with you?
Post #369,432 by drook 1/9/13 7:47:21 AM Reply	Nope But that's what's behind a lot of the emotion against guns. Like I said, the logical argument from statistics is that spree killings are very rare, and the chances you'll be affected by one are slim. It's a hard argument to make, though, when the networks would put you in a split-screen with a crying parent. -- Drew
Post #369,444 by crazy 1/9/13 10:01:29 AM Reply	A hard argument to make? No it's not. It's an EASY one. When people are logical. When they are not, they are sheeple, and deserve what they get. I will NEVER phrase an argument for the the morons watching the crying parents and getting riled up. You don't reason with these types of people, you manipulate them to achieve what you want.

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