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Post #360,890
by folkert
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7/16/12 9:34:36 PM
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New I am not...
willing to throw out PPACA.

Incremental change is the only way we will get through and get it somewhat right.
Post #360,891
by Another Scott
7/16/12 9:44:56 PM
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New Understood. Me neither; ditto. :-)
Post #360,900
by mmoffitt
7/17/12 8:20:30 AM
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New In the absence of real leadership...
that might be true. But, it won't come anywhere near being "right" because the leadership we have is a subsidiary of Wall Street, Big Banks, Big Pharma and Big Insurance.
Post #360,904
by folkert
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7/17/12 8:34:50 AM
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New I can agree with that...
but it *IS* a start... a stumbling one out of the gate for sure... but a start none the less.
Post #360,911
by crazy
7/17/12 9:41:06 AM
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New "real leadership"?
Would that me the guy with all the guns who is pushing your point of view?

You are waiting for the next demagogue to fall in line behind.
     Why PPACA is inexcusable, in a nutshell. - (mmoffitt) - (45) - July 16, 2012, 08:25:30 AM EDT
         Corner cases are always there. - (Another Scott) - (39) - July 16, 2012, 10:20:06 AM EDT
             A corner case? - (mmoffitt) - (38) - July 16, 2012, 04:13:26 PM EDT
                 How many votes were there for single payer? - (Another Scott) - (37) - July 16, 2012, 07:12:41 PM EDT
                     Hey... how many times... - (folkert) - (6) - July 16, 2012, 05:52:32 PM EDT
                         Different animals. - (Another Scott) - (5) - July 16, 2012, 06:33:52 PM EDT
                             I am not... - (folkert) - (4) - July 16, 2012, 09:34:36 PM EDT
                                 Understood. Me neither; ditto. :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - July 16, 2012, 09:44:56 PM EDT
                                 In the absence of real leadership... - (mmoffitt) - (2) - July 17, 2012, 08:20:30 AM EDT
                                     I can agree with that... - (folkert) - July 17, 2012, 08:34:50 AM EDT
                                     "real leadership"? - (crazy) - July 17, 2012, 09:41:06 AM EDT
                     Your President killed Single Payer in the crib. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - July 16, 2012, 06:55:02 PM EDT
                         We've been through this ad nauseum... - (Another Scott) - July 16, 2012, 07:14:55 PM EDT
                     See what happens when you let the option on the table? - (mmoffitt) - (27) - July 16, 2012, 07:03:41 PM EDT
                         States are free to implement single payer if they want. - (Another Scott) - (26) - July 16, 2012, 07:20:50 PM EDT
                             You've never been more wrong. - (mmoffitt) - (25) - July 16, 2012, 08:24:23 PM EDT
                                 You do understand that Obama isn't king, right? - (Another Scott) - (24) - July 16, 2012, 10:00:58 PM EDT
                                     Well, then, similarly - (hnick) - (21) - July 17, 2012, 07:22:16 AM EDT
                                         Heh. - (Another Scott) - (20) - July 17, 2012, 07:41:03 AM EDT
                                             Swing and Another miss. - (mmoffitt) - (13) - July 17, 2012, 08:18:31 AM EDT
                                                 The votes weren't there. Reality intrudes again. -NT - (Another Scott) - (12) - July 17, 2012, 09:14:56 AM EDT
                                                     Changing arguments mid-stream gets you only so far. ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt) - July 17, 2012, 04:13:04 PM EDT
                                                     Re: The votes weren't there. Reality intrudes again. - (Ashton) - (10) - July 18, 2012, 06:16:13 AM EDT
                                                         So, can you or Scott help me out here? - (mmoffitt) - (9) - July 18, 2012, 09:22:41 AM EDT
                                                             Obama isn't the problem - Congress is the problem. HTH. - (Another Scott) - (4) - July 18, 2012, 10:08:42 AM EDT
                                                                 The question remains. - (mmoffitt) - (3) - July 18, 2012, 11:34:05 AM EDT
                                                                     We'll see in November. I'm optimistic myself. YMMV. ;-) -NT - (Another Scott) - (2) - July 18, 2012, 11:44:19 AM EDT
                                                                         See post below. Either way, we all lose. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1) - July 18, 2012, 01:33:54 PM EDT
                                                                             Meh. -NT - (Another Scott) - July 18, 2012, 01:40:00 PM EDT
                                                             Actually no - (crazy) - (3) - July 18, 2012, 10:57:24 AM EDT
                                                                 The "portion" was the determining factor. - (mmoffitt) - (2) - July 18, 2012, 01:31:40 PM EDT
                                                                     IIRC, you didn't expect him to win IN in the first place. - (Another Scott) - (1) - July 18, 2012, 01:54:28 PM EDT
                                                                         No dispute. I did not think he would win in 2008. - (mmoffitt) - July 18, 2012, 03:03:50 PM EDT
                                             I suppose that's good to know. - (hnick) - (5) - July 17, 2012, 08:45:20 AM EDT
                                                 Reread DeLong's recent post. - (Another Scott) - (4) - July 17, 2012, 09:16:49 AM EDT
                                                     I remain sceptical - (hnick) - (3) - July 17, 2012, 10:20:54 AM EDT
                                                         Who would have been your candidate in 2008? - (Another Scott) - (2) - July 17, 2012, 10:41:41 AM EDT
                                                             Serious answer - (hnick) - (1) - July 17, 2012, 11:11:54 AM EDT
                                                                 Thanks. I understand the disappointment. - (Another Scott) - July 17, 2012, 11:17:13 AM EDT
                                     Really? I thought he could kill people whenever he wanted. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - July 17, 2012, 08:19:03 AM EDT
                                         <sigh> -NT - (Another Scott) - July 17, 2012, 09:17:11 AM EDT
         That's a crock - (crazy) - (4) - July 16, 2012, 10:44:32 AM EDT
             So, she should ... - (mmoffitt) - (3) - July 16, 2012, 04:16:05 PM EDT
                 The PPACA is much better than nothing - (malraux) - (1) - July 16, 2012, 06:03:47 PM EDT
                     We'll see. I doubt it. -NT - (mmoffitt) - July 16, 2012, 06:46:41 PM EDT
                 You did not read what I wrote - (crazy) - July 17, 2012, 09:49:56 AM EDT

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