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Post #360,913 by hnick 7/17/12 10:20:54 AM Reply	I remain sceptical DeLong seems to be ignoring the fact that Obama packed his administration with republican retreads (the same ones who caused this mess) and preemptively capitulated every opportunity he got. The enthusiasm in 2008 was caused by the hope for real change. By 2010, it was pretty obvious that we had been sold out and it would be business as usual. Perhaps if the DNC wanted us to vote democratic in 2012, they should have run a democrat. The lesser of two evils is still evil. Voting for bottom feeders or bottom ballots or whatever he called them just supporting the LOTE system. They want support, they need to deliver. They failed the voters. We didn't fail them.
Post #360,914 by Another Scott 7/17/12 10:41:41 AM Reply	Who would have been your candidate in 2008? Serious question. And how would they have been better? Hillary? Edwards? Biden? Gravel? Dodd? Kucinich? Bayh? Vilsack? Other? Incoming administrations pick as staff people who worked in previous administrations because they have experience and connections and know how the systems work. Chaos results when masses of new people without those attributes assume high positions. Look at Carter's experience - http://en.wikipedia....ssional_relations Cheers, Scott.
Post #360,916 by hnick 7/17/12 11:11:54 AM Reply	Serious answer My wife and I both supported Obama, I less so after the FISA reversal. We had an Obama sign in our yard, and my wife pounded the pavement for him. At election time, I thought he was a bit of a stinker, but still better than the others. I thought Hillary was too much of a republican and a hawk. Well, she is, but she's nowhere close to Obama's league. Oh, and we both voted in 2010 (against republicans, of course.) So how do I vote against a republican in 2012? Obama can (and does) out republican most of the morons with a R after their name.
Post #360,917 by Another Scott 7/17/12 11:17:13 AM Reply	Thanks. I understand the disappointment. Imagine if you had Jim Webb and Mark Warner as your senators. ;-) Hang in there. Cheers, Scott.

Why PPACA is inexcusable, in a nutshell. - (mmoffitt) - (45) - July 16, 2012, 08:25:30 AM EDT

Corner cases are always there. - (Another Scott) - (39) - July 16, 2012, 10:20:06 AM EDT

A corner case? - (mmoffitt) - (38) - July 16, 2012, 04:13:26 PM EDT

How many votes were there for single payer? - (Another Scott) - (37) - July 16, 2012, 07:12:41 PM EDT

Hey... how many times... - (folkert) - (6) - July 16, 2012, 05:52:32 PM EDT

Different animals. - (Another Scott) - (5) - July 16, 2012, 06:33:52 PM EDT

I am not... - (folkert) - (4) - July 16, 2012, 09:34:36 PM EDT

Understood. Me neither; ditto. :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - July 16, 2012, 09:44:56 PM EDT

In the absence of real leadership... - (mmoffitt) - (2) - July 17, 2012, 08:20:30 AM EDT

I can agree with that... - (folkert) - July 17, 2012, 08:34:50 AM EDT

"real leadership"? - (crazy) - July 17, 2012, 09:41:06 AM EDT

Your President killed Single Payer in the crib. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - July 16, 2012, 06:55:02 PM EDT

We've been through this ad nauseum... - (Another Scott) - July 16, 2012, 07:14:55 PM EDT

See what happens when you let the option on the table? - (mmoffitt) - (27) - July 16, 2012, 07:03:41 PM EDT

States are free to implement single payer if they want. - (Another Scott) - (26) - July 16, 2012, 07:20:50 PM EDT

You've never been more wrong. - (mmoffitt) - (25) - July 16, 2012, 08:24:23 PM EDT

You do understand that Obama isn't king, right? - (Another Scott) - (24) - July 16, 2012, 10:00:58 PM EDT

Well, then, similarly - (hnick) - (21) - July 17, 2012, 07:22:16 AM EDT

Heh. - (Another Scott) - (20) - July 17, 2012, 07:41:03 AM EDT

Swing and Another miss. - (mmoffitt) - (13) - July 17, 2012, 08:18:31 AM EDT

The votes weren't there. Reality intrudes again. -NT - (Another Scott) - (12) - July 17, 2012, 09:14:56 AM EDT

Changing arguments mid-stream gets you only so far. ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt) - July 17, 2012, 04:13:04 PM EDT

Re: The votes weren't there. Reality intrudes again. - (Ashton) - (10) - July 18, 2012, 06:16:13 AM EDT

So, can you or Scott help me out here? - (mmoffitt) - (9) - July 18, 2012, 09:22:41 AM EDT

Obama isn't the problem - Congress is the problem. HTH. - (Another Scott) - (4) - July 18, 2012, 10:08:42 AM EDT

The question remains. - (mmoffitt) - (3) - July 18, 2012, 11:34:05 AM EDT

We'll see in November. I'm optimistic myself. YMMV. ;-) -NT - (Another Scott) - (2) - July 18, 2012, 11:44:19 AM EDT

See post below. Either way, we all lose. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1) - July 18, 2012, 01:33:54 PM EDT

Meh. -NT - (Another Scott) - July 18, 2012, 01:40:00 PM EDT

Actually no - (crazy) - (3) - July 18, 2012, 10:57:24 AM EDT

The "portion" was the determining factor. - (mmoffitt) - (2) - July 18, 2012, 01:31:40 PM EDT

IIRC, you didn't expect him to win IN in the first place. - (Another Scott) - (1) - July 18, 2012, 01:54:28 PM EDT

No dispute. I did not think he would win in 2008. - (mmoffitt) - July 18, 2012, 03:03:50 PM EDT

I suppose that's good to know. - (hnick) - (5) - July 17, 2012, 08:45:20 AM EDT

Reread DeLong's recent post. - (Another Scott) - (4) - July 17, 2012, 09:16:49 AM EDT

I remain sceptical - (hnick) - (3) - July 17, 2012, 10:20:54 AM EDT

Who would have been your candidate in 2008? - (Another Scott) - (2) - July 17, 2012, 10:41:41 AM EDT

Serious answer - (hnick) - (1) - July 17, 2012, 11:11:54 AM EDT

Thanks. I understand the disappointment. - (Another Scott) - July 17, 2012, 11:17:13 AM EDT

Really? I thought he could kill people whenever he wanted. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - July 17, 2012, 08:19:03 AM EDT

<sigh> -NT - (Another Scott) - July 17, 2012, 09:17:11 AM EDT

That's a crock - (crazy) - (4) - July 16, 2012, 10:44:32 AM EDT

So, she should ... - (mmoffitt) - (3) - July 16, 2012, 04:16:05 PM EDT

The PPACA is much better than nothing - (malraux) - (1) - July 16, 2012, 06:03:47 PM EDT

We'll see. I doubt it. -NT - (mmoffitt) - July 16, 2012, 06:46:41 PM EDT

You did not read what I wrote - (crazy) - July 17, 2012, 09:49:56 AM EDT

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