Post #359,343
6/21/12 9:39:41 PM
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Why the surge in obesity?
http://economistsvie...e-in-obesity.html
Why the surge in obesity?, by Lane Kenworthy: The Weight of the Nation is a four-part series on obesity in America by HBO Films and the Institute of Medicine, with assistance from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and the National Institutes of Health (NIH). ItÂs been showing on HBO and can be viewed online. Each of the four parts is well done and informative.
Obesity is defined as having a body mass index (BMI) of 30 or more. For a person 6 feet tall, that means a weight of more than 220 pounds. For someone 5Â6", the threshold is 185 pounds. People who are obese tend to earn less and are more likely to be depressed. They are at greater risk of diabetes, heart disease, stroke, and some types of cancer, and they tend to die younger. The CDC estimates the direct and indirect medical care costs of obesity to be $150 billion a year, about 1% of our GDP.
The chart below, which appears several times in The Weight of the Nation, shows the trend in obesity among American adults since 1960, the first year for which we have good data. The data are from the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES). They are collected from actual measurements of peopleÂs height and weight, rather than from phone interviews, so theyÂre quite reliable. After holding constant at about 15% in the 1960s and 1970s, the adult obesity rate shot up beginning in the 1980s, reaching 35% in the mid-2000s.
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In short: "Supersize Me!"
Makes sense, but check the comments too.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #359,345
6/21/12 9:42:59 PM
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hfcs came into everything in the 80's /me convinced
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Post #359,350
6/21/12 10:15:15 PM
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Sugar consumption.
Though that's part of the story. Bad science in the food and nutrition industries and vested interests more interested in making money than anything else are also to blame.
I found this with a simple Google:
http://diabeticmedit...ugar-consumption/
More information is in Sweet Poison http://www.goodreads...ugar-makes-us-fat and Big Fat Lies http://www.goodreads...9011-big-fat-lies
Wade.
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Post #359,355
6/21/12 11:18:00 PM
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Sugar is evil!
Artificial sweeteners are more evil - and contribute to obesity by not turning off hunger.
Fortunately, I've never been addicted to sweet, I prefer pungent and sour. I am not at all a desert person either.
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Post #359,361
6/22/12 7:02:23 AM
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The "low-fat" industry is also a problem.
And it's based on flawed science.
But in fact, processed food is a problem. Avoid that and you avoid a lot of sugar and "wrong" fats and other chemicals.
I'm sure you know this! :-)
Wade.
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Post #360,080
7/2/12 3:46:24 PM
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When I see l "low fat" on food in my head I hear
"chemical shitstorm".
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Post #360,083
7/2/12 4:59:47 PM
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Good parallel.
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Post #359,359
6/22/12 6:00:38 AM
6/22/12 6:24:05 AM
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LInk to source docs is a bit hidden in Economist article
http://www.biomedcen.../1471-2458/10/746
Real MEAT here:
Clicking on the 'squiggly icons' at left of many paragraphs, opens a pop-up with many. Interesting. graphs.
Was just going to skim this link, but got sucked in--because it's exemplary sci-grade exposition, sans all-too-common MAN *nix type obfuscatory acronyms.
Hmmm.. maybe the Chinese + Japanese together can improve Murican academic style in such reports?
But the tradition of special-jargon runs deep in Murica.
Seems that B-vit, fortifications in grains, ditto + nicotinimide, used to make meat look RED! etc. loom large in the Whys of these astonishing curves of increased calories/person/day + all the rest:
Hey.. B vitamins were KNOWN to increase appetite, yet for ALL those DECADES ... nobody was NOTICING.
Academic Alzheimers? Attention-span-deficit-Disorder? ... just plain ... ... sloth??
Gotta delve further--thanks for the Econ link; ordinarily MEGO re. formal Sci. Doc. intentionally bland syntax, vocab + style (-NOT).
Love the Econ Inequality / parallel curve suggestion in Comments, (esp. rebuttal to the attempted snark at The Very Thought!)
Intelligence isn't dead in Murica, merely Buried under $Billions of the many Greed- PACS/"Think"-tanks and other
'financial instruments of mental depravity and sociopathic-Greed', daily sanitized by the, what was it..
4? 6?? mega-Corps who own virtually all the mass media, paper/transistors/or whatever form.
Excerpts:
B-vitamin consumption and the prevalence of diabetes and obesity among the US adults: population based ecological study
[... ... ... ...]
Results
The prevalences of diabetes and adult obesity were highly correlated with per capita consumption of niacin, thiamin and riboflavin with a 26-and 10-year lag, respectively (R2 = 0.952, 0.917 and 0.83 for diabetes, respectively, and R2 = 0.964, 0.975 and 0.935 for obesity, respectively). The diabetes prevalence increased with the obesity prevalence with a 16-year lag (R2 = 0.975). The relationships between the diabetes or obesity prevalence and per capita niacin consumption were similar both in different age groups and in male and female populations. The prevalence of adult obesity and diabetes was highly correlated with the grain contribution to niacin (R2 = 0.925 and 0.901, respectively), with a 10-and 26-year lag, respectively. The prevalence of obesity in US adults during 1971-2004 increased in parallel with the increase in carbohydrate consumption with a 10-year lag. The per capita energy and protein consumptions positively correlated with the obesity prevalence with a one-year lag. Moreover, there was an 11-year lag relationship between per capita energy and protein consumption and the consumption of niacin, thiamin and riboflavin (R2 = 0.932, 0.923 and 0.849 for energy, respectively, and R2 = 0.922, 0.878 and 0.787 for protein, respectively).
Conclusions
The present study revealed that the increased prevalence of obesity and diabetes in the US in the past 50 years was closely correlated with the increased daily per capita consumption of niacin, thiamin and riboflavin of with distinct time lags, and suggested that long-term exposure to high level of the B vitamins may be involved in the increasing prevalence of obesity and diabetes. The present findings, together with the evidence that niacin may induce glucose intolerance, insulin resistance and liver injury, imply the possibility that, among the fortified B-vitamins, excess niacin consumption may play a major role in the development of obesity and type 2 diabetes. Since the high level consumption of niacin in the US is mainly due to the implementation of mandatory grain fortification, therefore, it may be of significance to carefully evaluate the long-term safety of food fortification.
These two articles portray the Tip of the iceberg of related incompetent regulations, never reprised for accuracy or efficacy
+ the Gordian Knot of interbred/recursive/obfuscated Special-$$$-Interest staying with a Cosa Nostra [We gots Our Thing, just like the Italians]
soon-Lucrative-habit of the Murican-fodder corporate collective(s) apparently in tandem agreement worldwide:
NEVER actually to TEST the underlying assumptions of 'enrichment' [in a dietary sense; the $$-sense goes without Saying, I wot.]
It can't be Shocking, such a realization: after all, a majority of the 'civilized worldÂ' embarked upon such an excess of nuke proliferations as to
Literally Destroy (the habitability of) the World. By any accidental brain-fart / for all those decades. Ergo,
NOTHING {should} Surprise us. Should it?
I shall try to save a few more cats, next.
We have become, as a species: preposterous :-/
Ed: PS:
In my 1.5 year experimental diet of practically no grains, few carbs, via a then-new Org deriving many (today called, 'pro-biotic') soil-derived substances
--my metabolism appears to have changed--remaining stable even long after discontinuing the rather expensive supplies,
while adding-back small amounts of the usual tasty stuff, only occasional grass-fed beef (say) frequent (non-farmed) salmon (which, fortunately I Like anyway.) Etc.
I was at least 25# above 'good'-weight, and am now at about same weight of best fighting-trim years. And similar energy.
(Natch I claim no prescience re. these particular findings--claim merely to have Noticed the effects of this.. nearly-capricious choice! of an interesting experiment-on-self.)
Which worked in ways I couldn't imagine, let alone 'expect'. I call it, Luck: I thought I'd try that regimen for ~ 6 months maybe.
Sometimes you win (an unknown bet.)
Edited by Ashton
June 22, 2012, 06:24:05 AM EDT
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Post #359,363
6/22/12 7:48:44 AM
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Very interesting. Thanks.
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Post #359,377
6/22/12 9:49:49 AM
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study is slightly horked
I suspect cherry picking but dont see a reason for it. 1974 is not a year that would indicate a surge of niacin and fortified grains. They have been the same since circa 1960. Consumption of carbs didnt pick up in 1974, in fact that would probably be about the time that people started seriously looking at their diets and experimenting more with non standard items. The only sea change I would see using 1974 is that anti smoking campaigns were really starting to make an impact. So perhaps the obesity problems, using the same population and time frame can show that lack of nicotine in the population caused a surge of obesity and therefore diabetes. So when the family doc in 1950 told you to start smoking to lose weight, he was right.
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Post #359,399
6/22/12 4:38:05 PM
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Of Course these are all mere correlations..
There is no ... Skip to overall 'proven causalities'-check-box.
So anyone.. can play, I Like >this< 'cause' Best.
Still, the >appetite enhancement< factor in the cited B-vits and related: does at least go to an obvious incentive to pig-out.
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Post #359,580
6/26/12 1:01:20 PM
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Ding ding ding
Despite the summary article saying "increased risk of diabetes" the article correctly said the conditions were correlated. Not the same thing.
Science reporting sucks.
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Drew
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Post #359,434
6/23/12 4:13:47 AM
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... so I should eat less Vegemite?
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Post #359,437
6/23/12 5:23:37 AM
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Yes. You should eat NO Vegemite.
You should eat Marmite instead, you colonial horror.
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Post #359,438
6/23/12 5:37:48 AM
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:-D
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Post #359,442
6/23/12 8:51:49 AM
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fecker, off to clean my keyboard
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Post #359,382
6/22/12 10:40:57 AM
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Fewer pies! More exercise!
^^ that's about it.
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Post #359,400
6/22/12 4:39:25 PM
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Mmmm.. ... PIE
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Post #359,686
6/27/12 2:56:49 PM
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Re: Why the surge in obesity?
http://www.motherjon...ds-big-gulp-chart
Just look at the biggest of the big: the Team Gulp from 7/11 that's 128 oz.
"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from."
-- E.L. Doctorow
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Post #359,745
6/28/12 5:18:36 AM
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128oz in *Science Fact!* units is 3.5 litres
Fuck me.
That's a lot of pop.
It'd take me a week to drink that.
I have a prediliction for gingery drinks, and weirdly have grown to prefer the taste of the diet variants. Old Jamaica Fiery Ginger Ale is a particular favourite, but only the Better Living Through Chemistry version; the regular one is just too gloopy and sugary.
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Post #359,755
6/28/12 9:15:27 AM
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Probably why it's called "*Team* Gulp".
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Post #359,757
6/28/12 9:29:56 AM
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Mmm, shared saliva.
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Post #359,758
6/28/12 9:31:07 AM
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Related...
The Strange Reason Diet Soda Makes You Fat:
http://news.mensheal...a-fat/2012/06/21/
Consuming high amounts of fructose (a type of sugar), artificial sweeteners, and sugar alcohols (another type of low-calorie sweetener) cause your gut bacteria to adapt in a way that interferes with your satiety signals and metabolism, according to a new paper in Obesity Reviews.
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How does that happen? As bacteria in the gut process food, they give off byproducts called short-chain fatty acids. These can be beneficial and serve as energy in the body. But as the sweetener-adapted bacteria thrive and become more efficient at processing large amounts of high-fructose corn syrup, artificial sweeteners, and sugar alcohols, they also produce more and more short-chain fatty acids.
I like the curiously strong ginger ales as well, but only the true sugar ones and only infrequently at that.
Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
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Post #359,763
6/28/12 9:44:11 AM
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I've been noticing Diet Coke tastes sweet lately
The less carbs I eat, the less I like sweets. Diet Coke didn't used to be in that category. The last several weeks I've been noticing that's changing.
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Drew
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Post #359,766
6/28/12 10:07:42 AM
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Definitely
About 10-15 years ago I stopped feeding my sweet tooth. I don't get dessert at restaurants, I don't nom on Halloween candy, and so on. I stopped drinking pop for the most part about 5 years ago.
Now when I have sweet foods I can only eat what most Americans would consider to be a very small portion, and I don't crave it at all. My blood sugar is more even as well.
Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
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Post #359,773
6/28/12 10:37:36 AM
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Interesting comment.
My blood sugar is more even as well. I'd be interested in learning how you're measuring that. Contact me offlinez.
-Mike
@MikeVitale42
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
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Post #359,776
6/28/12 11:01:36 AM
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I'm not measuring, just general observation.
Given my svelte build I can easily tell when my blood sugar is out of whack.
Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
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Post #359,777
6/28/12 11:08:04 AM
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OIC. Bummer.
-Mike
@MikeVitale42
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
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Post #359,780
6/28/12 11:15:17 AM
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"svelte"
Ha!
Ha!
Twiglet.
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Post #359,804
6/28/12 12:51:25 PM
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I've been planning to get a blood tester
The pharmacy has it in the diabetes aisle.
Yes Peter, pharmacies here have a diabetes aisle.
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Drew
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Post #359,832
6/28/12 5:10:17 PM
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It really doesn't take long.
I stopped drinking soft drink and flavoured milk at lunch just a few months ago, sticking to water or unflavoured milk. Now flavoured milk is way too sweet and I feel funny afterwards.
Wade.
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Post #359,870
6/28/12 10:26:48 PM
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Re: It really doesn't take long.
My main beverages are water, coffee, and beer. I have a very occasional pop; drinks like scotch, gin, or jaeger rather more often than pop. Oh, I do take cream in my coffee, but never sugar. It's just better that way.
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Post #359,877
6/28/12 11:16:09 PM
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I like my coffee like I like my women...
Strong, Bitter and Black. No wait. No, I just like my coffee like that.
I like my women: white, redheaded and fiery. Good thing. I'm married to a redhead.
I drink a lot of fluid a day. I drink probably 4-6 28oz glasses of filtered water (aka fridge dispensed water). I also drink about 60oz of Diet Caffeine Free Coke or Pepsi, I get it in an insulated cup with ice in it and it lasts pretty much 8 hours.
I don't drink a lot of coffee or caffeine product anymore. Maybe while eating out. Or maybe an MFL once or twice a week if its HOT.
Yes, I leak a lot.
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Post #359,882
6/28/12 11:29:57 PM
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gotta watch those memes
thought you might have said greek ground /me flees
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Post #360,059
7/1/12 11:24:59 PM
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Wide straws
Did anybody else notice a few years ago McDonalds switched to a wider straw?
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Badass! (and delicious)
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Post #360,061
7/1/12 11:58:57 PM
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Yep...
Its caused a lot of straw MFGs to switch to larger ones.
Personally, I think they are wide, a bit much. It makes it far to easy to gulp the drink.
larger than 5/16" for MCD's straws, about 7/32" for "regular" straws and slightly smaller 1/4" for old "normal" straws and 3/32" for cocktail straws.
Oh well...
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Post #360,068
7/2/12 9:06:57 AM
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If by "a few years ago" you mean some time in the 70s
Micky D's has always used pipeline-sized straws.
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Drew
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Post #360,134
7/3/12 10:20:23 AM
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yeah, we had to go to wendy's take out window
when we ran out of dollar bills to roll up
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