Next generation MacBook Pro sounds nice.

Post #358,772 by Another Scott 6/11/12 1:31:48 PM Reply	Next generation MacBook Pro sounds nice. 5 MP display. 15.4", but still a bit heavy. I imagine they'll want a fortune for it... http://www.macrumorslive.com/ Cheers, Scott.
Post #358,778 by SpiceWare 6/11/12 2:37:30 PM 6/11/12 2:38:47 PM Reply	$2199 http://macdailynews....-keynote-address/ New MacBook Pro starts at $2199, ships today - 15.4" Retina display - 2.3 GHZ quad-core i7 - 8GB Ram - GeForce GT 650M 1GB - 256 GB flash storage - 7 hours battery life - 0.71" thin, 4.46 lbs. Not too bad. Only issue I see is storage space, but it may not be an issue for long as I'm looking to set up a Mac mini for the TV this summer and all the video content would get moved over to it. I'm interested in seeing the new glossy display with the 75% reduction in glare. Edited by SpiceWare June 11, 2012, 02:38:47 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #358,779 by malraux 6/11/12 2:57:32 PM Reply	That has "business expense" written all over it... Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #358,780 by Another Scott 6/11/12 3:00:23 PM Reply	Yup. "Starting at ..." Oh well, I guess they have to strike while the iron is hot. No word on MacPro updates either. Perhaps with their laptop/tablet business growing like gangbusters, and feeling little impact after giving up the 1 U server boxes, maybe they don't see the need right now. If ever. Presumably the updated i7 machines are fast enough for just about everyone. Cheers, Scott.
Post #358,805 by malraux 6/11/12 6:15:10 PM Reply	8G of RAM isn't enough for some people Myself included: I have a MacPro that I use as my primary machine. Once I get Chrome, FlashBuilder, Photoshop, and half a dozen other things running at once, 8G can be painful. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #358,896 by malraux 6/13/12 11:24:14 AM Reply	Ah, it goes up to 16G $200, not horrible. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #358,960 by Ashton 6/14/12 6:55:32 PM Reply	Whew! I can get mine in ~2015, then..
Post #358,781 by Another Scott 6/11/12 3:04:04 PM Reply	$2800 for the 2.6 GHz/8 GB/512 GB version. http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs/ It can go up to 2.7 GHz/16 GB/768 GB. The iFixIt teardown should be interesting. Cheers, Scott.
Post #358,787 by SpiceWare 6/11/12 4:22:34 PM Reply	looks like the RAM you buy at purchase time is all you get just watched the video and at 1:47 it looks like the RAM is directly mounted on the motherboard. The flash drive looks to be replaceable. http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/
Post #358,806 by malraux 6/11/12 6:16:17 PM Reply	Now THAT is annoying. Makes me lean towards Greg's "get them on upgrade costs" theory. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #358,894 by SpiceWare 6/13/12 11:01:28 AM Reply	confirmed RAM is soldered in in place. SSD is proprietary, and different than the one used in the Air. You need a pentalobe screwdriver to open it. The battery is glued in place!?!? http://www.ifixit.co...62/1#.T9inDI45DcB
Post #358,920 by malraux 6/13/12 5:36:47 PM Reply	Re: confirmed http://www.reghardwa...ated_ssd_connect/ Video editors are going to need a Thunderbolt drive. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #358,932 by static 6/13/12 8:54:50 PM Reply	Apple want it to be disposable, not upgradeable. And it seems to be almost working for them. Which is more than can be said for pretty much all other computer hardware makers, though I'm sure some of them would love to do it. Wade. Just Add Story http://justaddstory.wordpress.com/
Post #358,934 by malraux 6/13/12 8:58:40 PM Reply	Actually it seems they wanted it thin. The sockets for upgradeable RAM are too thick, or something. If they truly wanted them to be disposable then they wouldn't make them last so long. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #358,936 by Another Scott 6/13/12 9:05:05 PM Reply	Agreed. If they really wanted it to be fully locked down, they'd solder the SSD in as well. They haven't done that - yet. ;-) Cheers, Scott.
Post #358,937 by static 6/13/12 9:13:00 PM Reply	I hadn't thought of that. Still, Apple doing things like that are less likely to be pillored than (say) Dell or HP or Sony or ... Wade. Just Add Story http://justaddstory.wordpress.com/
Post #358,942 by mvitale 6/13/12 11:09:59 PM Reply	Re: Agreed. I think they do that (solder in the SSD's) in the MacBook Airs. -Mike @MikeVitale42 "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
Post #358,943 by Another Scott 6/13/12 11:51:17 PM Reply	They used a unique connector. It, like the newer version, was unique to Apple initially. http://www.ifixit.co...-045#.T9lshbU4z_c I suspect drives with the new connector will be available from OtherWorldComputing and the like soon. Cheers, Scott.
Post #358,938 by SpiceWare 6/13/12 9:25:49 PM Reply	not just Apple http://www.notebookc...view.64595.0.html For memory, the current Aspire S3 model includes 4GB DDR3 RAM. Like other ultrathin notebooks, the RAM is soldered directly onto the motherboard to reduce weight and size, so users will be stuck with 4GB RAM from beginning to end.
Post #358,872 by folkert 6/12/12 9:55:34 PM Reply	No 17" model anymore. Guess they just want to leave money on the table.
Post #358,873 by malraux 6/12/12 10:07:52 PM Reply	Not really. I'm the only person I know who actually has one. They're huge. Almost all of the consultants I see these days have the 15" MBP. Rarely will one have a 15" Dell with Windows. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #358,924 by folkert 6/13/12 7:31:56 PM Reply	The heck! I'm sorry. This is just a sheer matter this crap being available. 5 years ago 15.4" was just the standard... Whatever. I guess I don't know what I want.
Post #358,926 by malraux 6/13/12 7:35:04 PM Reply	I'm not saying you don't know what you want. I'm saying that the number of people who actually buy one appears to be vanishingly small. At which point it's not leaving money on the table, because they aren't making enough to cover costs. Don't get me wrong, I love my 17". But I don't travel with it for one thing, and at this point I don't use it enough to justify buying another one regardless. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #358,929 by folkert 6/13/12 7:55:53 PM Reply	I guess. Its all about what is needed. Meh.
Post #358,850 by SpiceWare 6/12/12 2:33:34 PM Reply	AnandTech reviews the Retina model http://www.anandtech...-display-analysis I like the ability to select from a number of virtual resolutions, ranging from 1024x768 to 1920x1200. They have a nice gallery showing the 5 options and how they affect screen real-estate. http://www.anandtech...allery/Album/2078
Post #359,397 by SpiceWare 6/22/12 2:03:02 PM Reply	Ars review http://arstechnica.c...tina-macbook-pro/ Nice comparison of preview icons http://cdn.arstechni...ns_comparison.jpg
Post #359,409 by Another Scott 6/22/12 8:29:09 PM Reply	A very good review. Thanks.
Post #359,398 by SpiceWare 6/22/12 2:11:40 PM Reply	display fun running at full resolution. http://www.macrumors...x1800-resolution/ such itty bitty text http://cdn.macrumors...book_pro_2880.jpg Driving 3 external monitors http://blog.macsales...external-displays
Post #359,405 by Another Scott 6/22/12 7:29:55 PM Reply	I didn't appreciate what they were doing. Thanks.
Post #359,406 by folkert 6/22/12 7:45:19 PM Reply	What weren't you appreciating? I mean... what was so bad about it?
Post #359,410 by Another Scott 6/22/12 8:40:13 PM Reply	The scaling. I was thinking it would run at the native resolution. I knew they were making double-density icons and do forth, but I hadn't put two and two together. I didn't appreciate that the screen would have the same real-estate as a 1440 x 900 screen while in "Retina" mode. Of course, thinking about it for more than a few seconds, it's obvious. It's good that you can run it in other resolutions. Lots of times I want more real estate to minimizing paging and scrolling. Cheers, Scott.
Post #359,412 by folkert 6/22/12 8:48:55 PM Reply	Re: The scaling. Ok. And you guys really wonder why I don't appreciate Apple. Sure they make good stuff... but doing things like that, really torques me. This is just one more of those things that piss me off about hampering the hardware for apparent gain. I mean damn, I WANT the full resolution at 17" not half resolution with greater clarity at 15"... Meh. Keep getting fed this kind of stuff. I don't like it and also making the thing un-serviceable... screw that.
Post #359,408 by boxley 6/22/12 8:17:15 PM Reply	that majorly sucks (from the comments) I gather that you are CONFIRMING that making a ÂFull-Screen AppÂ go full screen DOES in fact render the other three monitors blank (ie: the grey linen background) and therefore you can do NOTHING with the other monitors. Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
Post #359,413 by folkert 6/22/12 8:50:19 PM Reply	Re: that majorly sucks (from the comments) Hell, that is a Feature. They know what is best for you... don't yah know. Same thing happens on my Mac Mini and the iMac with the TV being used as a 2nd display. Meh.
Post #359,418 by boxley 6/22/12 9:13:41 PM Reply	wierd from my macbook I could use a second screen full display of virtual box linux while laptop could do its thing just fine. I was really ready to buy another macbook since the first one may be gone another year. Not now, fuck mac Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
Post #359,420 by Another Scott 6/22/12 9:38:59 PM Reply	Maximize isn't good enough? Not making excuses for Apple about this (though additional comments there say they're looking into it for Mountain Lion), but Maximizing window isn't good enough? I understand if you're playing a game or something that needs to genuinely grab all the video, but that doesn't seem to be what you're describing. Cheers, Scott. (Who hasn't read the thread in question at Apple.)
Post #359,422 by folkert 6/22/12 9:44:38 PM Reply	Suppose this... You want to display a full HD video on you primary screen... at full 1080p. Only way to get it is to full screen the thing. That THEN turns the other screen(s) into Grey backgrounds. not allowing you to and use them. Such as using a virtual box machine in the other window. Of doing to spreadsheetings or wordy docuemnty thingers... or even browsing the ENTARNETS... Nope, just that one thing for you!
Post #359,425 by Another Scott 6/22/12 10:04:51 PM Reply	Ok, but when I watch movies, I generally watch movies. The exception is when I'm watching a movie while having a laptop in my lap. I can see why it might be handy, say if you want a screen without the menu bar and so forth while doing some photo editing or something, but I don't see it as a huge problem for a desktop computing arrangement. YMMV, of course. :-) I wonder why they set it up to behave this way... Apparently they want you to use "Mission Control" to switch between full screen apps - http://www.macworld....ple_monitors.html FWIW. Cheers, Scott.
Post #359,461 by SpiceWare 6/23/12 3:18:34 PM 6/23/12 3:37:30 PM Reply	AnandTech http://www.anandtech...-display-review/1 photos showing off the reduction in glare. I think I could live with that - I had to put a matte film on my 2008 MBP because the glare annoyed me. http://images.anandt...kPro/DSC_7440.jpg http://images.anandt...kPro/DSC_7465.jpg http://images.anandt...kPro/DSC_7464.jpg Edited by SpiceWare June 23, 2012, 03:37:30 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #359,462 by malraux 6/23/12 5:08:29 PM Reply	Summary of all the reviews: Hot piss that's a nice screen, lots faster/lighter/thinner than the other ones, shit the ports kind of suck, it's not upgradeable and it's damned expensive. From this review: I accept the fact that current mobile memory and storage form factors preclude the creation of the thinnest and lightest form factors. But I would like to see Apple push for the creation of industry standard storage and memory form factors that wouldnÂt hinder the design of notebooks like the Retina Display equipped Macbook Pro. Apple has already demonstrated that it has significant pull with component vendors, this should be possible. The motivation behind doing so is no different from the motivation driving the use of Retina Displays: for the betterment of the end user experience. Yep. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #359,474 by SpiceWare 6/23/12 8:49:28 PM Reply	it'd be interesting to know what % upgrade their RAM Everyone at IWT I'm sure, but for the population as a whole it wouldn't surprise me if it was in the low single digits. This guy brings up some interesting points. http://cruftbox.com/...hives/001655.html
Post #359,475 by malraux 6/23/12 9:02:00 PM Reply	8G is a lot If you're not a developer or some kind of digital content creator. On the other hand, I think a lot of people who use Macs are one of those types of people. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #359,496 by Ashton 6/24/12 3:18:33 PM Reply	Now for the Real "designers" here.. http://www.homebrewcpu.com/ Never mind that Slot-A into Tab-B "assembly" stuff. {{chortle}} I made a motor out of a lemon, some wire and recycled bearings, once..

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