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New Walmart profits over employee's death
[link|http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/front/1368123|Profiting from death?]
Jane Sims always knew her husband was a valuable employee to Wal-Mart. She just didn't know how valuable.

Sims discovered recently that Wal-Mart, the company her husband, Douglas, worked for before he died, had taken out a life insurance policy in his name.

When Douglas Sims died in 1998 of a sudden heart attack, Wal-Mart received about $64,000. She got nothing from that policy.

Darrell Spice, Jr.

[link|http://home.houston.rr.com/spiceware/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore

New Posting full story for archival purposes
April 16, 2002, 4:23PM

Profiting from death?
Lawsuit filed in Wal-Mart life insurance case
By L.M. SIXEL
Copyright 2002 Houston Chronicle
Jane Sims always knew her husband was a valuable employee to Wal-Mart. She just didn't know how valuable.

Sims discovered recently that Wal-Mart, the company her husband, Douglas, worked for before he died, had taken out a life insurance policy in his name.

When Douglas Sims died in 1998 of a sudden heart attack, Wal-Mart received about $64,000. She got nothing from that policy.

"I never dreamed that they could profit from my husband's death," said Sims, whose husband worked in receiving at Wal-Mart's distribution center in Plainview for 11 years.

Companies routinely take out secret life insurance policies on the lives of their low-level employees and collect thousands of dollars when they die. The families never know the policies are in place and typically receive none of the money.

The policies are called corporate-owned life insurance policies or COLIs for short. But they're better known in the insurance industry as "dead peasant" and "dead janitor" policies.

While many companies buy life insurance on their key officers, so-called "dead peasant" policies are different because the deaths of low-level employees do not affect a company's financial health.

Those kinds of policies are not permitted in Texas anyway because the state Legislature did not want to create an incentive for murder or wagering on human life. But many employers continue to buy them, expecting no one will ever find out.

And they generally don't because there is no way to tell if an employer has taken out a policy on a worker's life.

That has caught the attention of U.S. Rep. Gene Green, D-Houston, who is looking into the federal jurisdiction of whether employers can be required to notify employees of such policies.

Green is also concerned that an employer may have a disincentive to provide a safe workplace because he would profit from the employee's death.

It is impossible to know how many companies purchased COLI policies on their employees because of secrecy surrounding the policies.

But an attorney for the Hartford Life Insurance Co. estimated that one-fourth of the Fortune 500 companies have them, which cover the lives of between 5 million and 6 million workers.

For example, Procter & Gamble and AT&T have them, but representatives of both companies would not comment on the details.

While COLIs are usually kept under wraps, they have suddenly become the focus in a lawsuit here against Wal-Mart, one of the city's largest employers, and Camelot Music.


Wal-Mart took out about 350,000 life insurance policies on the lives of its employees payable to the company, according to the lawsuit filed by Sims and other family members of deceased Wal-Mart employees. Hartford Life Insurance Co. and AIG Life Insurance Co. sold the policies to Wal-Mart.

Wal-Mart borrowed money from the insurers to pay the premiums, which the company was able to write off as a business expense on its federal taxes.

Scott Monroe Clearman, a Houston lawyer representing the workers, said those policies are used as an "elaborate tax dodge."

Clearman, who specializes in insurance law, is responsible for uncovering the "dead peasant" policies in Texas.

After reading in a magazine that Wal-Mart took out policies in other states, he began to wonder if any were on Texas employees.

Through obituary listings in Texas newspapers, Clearman tracked down surviving family members of Wal-Mart employees.

[NOTE: This is where the story really gets good - lincoln]

Linda Waller, whose husband, Craig, worked in the automotive department at Wal-Mart's Comanche store before he died, received a letter from Clearman about a $64,000 life insurance policy on her husband.

Waller took it to Wal-Mart's human resources representatives in Comanche. They researched it and assured her that Wal-Mart did not carry insurance that names the company.

A Wal-Mart representative dismissed Waller's suspicions and said they were being stoked by "ambulance chasers."

But Waller discovered that her husband was covered, and she and other relatives of deceased Wal-Mart employees are suing the retailer.

[<sarcasm> A company lying to its employees, or spouses of employees, or WIDOWS of employees? Never!!! Not here in the good ole USA!!! </sarcasm>]

Clearman has proved to U.S. District Judge Nancy Atlas that the retailer has no "insurable interest," that Wal-Mart is not entitled to insurance money and that death benefits should go to the deceased workers' estates.

But he must determine just how many employees are due the benefit.

That could amount to millions of dollars of liability for Wal-Mart, Clearman said. He could not be more specific because he did not know how many Texas employees died or how much each policy was worth.

The way the companies find out is that the firms who manage the insurance policies for them run sweeps of Social Security numbers or "death runs" to uncover who has died every quarter. The death certificates are located and forwarded to the insurance company.

In Texas, only those with an "insurable interest" can take a life insurance policy out on someone. That would include a spouse or child, a creditor or "one having a reasonable expectation of pecuniary benefit or advantage from the continued life of another."

Texas is unusual, said Barry Chasnoff, a lawyer with Akin Gump in San Antonio who is representing the Hartford Life Insurance Co. In most states, companies have an insurable interest in every employee. (Rules allow an employer to take out a life insurance policy on a key officer. When an executive leaves a company, the insurance lapses.)

When a company well-versed in insurance codes comes to Hartford to buy COLI policies, Hartford does not pay attention to whether "insurable interest" needs to apply, Chasnoff said.

Camelot Music was also sued in the same case after former employees, including many part-time workers making close to mimumum wage, discovered they were insured for between $273,000 and $368,000 each. All are former employees, who left the company by 1998, and say they are rightful owners of the policies.

Atlas said that even though Camelot did not have an insurable interest in their lives, she did not have the power to convert the ownership to the individual employees. But if the policies were still in effect when the former employees died, the estates would be owed the money.

The Camelot case came to light after it sued the Internal Revenue Service after it disallowed the company's tax deductions on the insurance premiums.

Though Texas law does not permit "dead peasant" insurance, Wal-Mart and Camelot thought they could still insure their Texas employees if the policies were created out of state.

In the Wal-Mart case, the insurance policies were signed in Georgia and the company managing its insurance is in Georgia. But Atlas ruled that the policies are governed by Texas law because the workers lived in Texas, worked in Texas and the death certificates are in Texas.

It's not just a Wal-Mart issue, said Bill Wertz, a spokesman at the company's headquarters in Bentonville, Ark. The company, like many in the Fortune 500, availed itself of the insurance policies because of the tax benefits.

"The company feels it acted properly and legally in doing this," he said. Georgia law, not Texas law, should govern, he said.

Wertz said Wal-Mart acted aboveboard with its employees, that no harm was caused and that employees were notified of the policies through a special "death benefit" offer.

Initially, Wal-Mart gave its employees a special $5,000 death benefit when it launched the program in 1994 through 1996.

But Clearman contended there was no mention that the underlying policy was worth far more. And it appeared that if an employee turned down the "special" death benefit, that worker also must forfeit health insurance, Clearman said.

Wal-Mart contended that the money from the insurance policies went to pay other employee benefits. Clearman said he has no evidence to support that claim.


Meanwhile, National Convenience Stores also has bought accidental death policies on its employees. When an employee died at work, such as in a robbery, NCS received $250,000, Clearman said.

The insurance came to light after an NCS manager died in a car wreck going to get change for the store, said Clearman, who represented the estate of the deceased employee, Ramon Pamez. The case is set for trial beginning Monday in state district court here.

Because it had insurance, NCS did not have incentive to provide security at the convenience stores, Clearman said.

At the same time, Diamond Shamrock was installing bulletproof glass and putting in two employees at night, Clearman said.

Between 1991 to 1995, Diamond Shamrock had one on-the-job death in Texas while NCS had nine, Clearman said.

Camelot Music earned $1.3 million in insurance proceeds from its employees who died, Clearman said. The firm insured 1,400 people, and it had more deaths than mortality tables suggest, he said. "What's the incentive to provide good security?" he asked.

Though Wal-Mart canceled its policies in January, Camelot's policies remain in effect.

An attorney for Camelot did not return phone calls for comment.


lincoln
"Four score and seven years ago, I had a better sig"
New Anyone needing further proof about Corporate sociopathy?
And 'Walmart' is merely the Biggest and thus Most Admired in the diadem of Capitalist Jewelry.

And we have a whole "political party" dedicated to reducing government interference with... wait for it...









The. [Holy] Market. - that self-regulating Entity which needs no human interference in its 'democratic' spreading of the riches! to all who are Worth-y.

Easter Bunny. Tooth Fairy. Messiahs. Free-Market capitalism. Muricans: buy them all! (Now *THAT's* "democracy inaction" !)
New Surely this is a no-brainer !!!


If she or hubby took out a policy & paid the premiums then she would be fully entitled to the payout

If Wal-Mart take out a policy (the word 'secret' policy is pure emotional journalism) & Wal-Mart pay the premiums & are named as beneficiary, what in f*** has that got to do with Mrs

She just seems like so many money grasping grabbing opportunists who are after any cheap quick buck.

If WM & Insurance company do legal business - she is right out of line

Doug M
New Except for this one quote
Those kinds of policies are not permitted in Texas anyway because the state Legislature did not want to create an incentive for murder or wagering on human life. But many employers continue to buy them, expecting no one will ever find out.


If there is someone who stands to make a profit from my death, I think that I should know about that.
===
I can't be a Democrat because I like to spend the money I make.
I can't be a Republican because I like to spend the money I make on drugs and whores.
New Re: Except for this one quote

I agree with your point

"If there is someone who stands to make a profit from my death, I think that I should know about that."

But it is questionable to state 'profit from my death' - that seems more like an opinion or perhaps a doubt.

Cheers

Doug
New ?
How is it questionable? If someone has a life insurance policy on me and I die, they get money. That sounds like profit to me. (Unless you're alluding to the fact that I make more money for them as a productive employee than they get from the policy, but that's kind of a stretch.)

PS: Do you have two logins you're using here? 'dmarker' and 'dmarker2'
===
I can't be a Democrat because I like to spend the money I make.
I can't be a Republican because I like to spend the money I make on drugs and whores.
New Logins


naw just 1 - dmarker was used at easyboard - when I 1st joind zIwethey dmarker wasn't accepted but I couldn't post hence dmarker & dmarker2
New Would you prefer your wife stand to profit from your death?
"Honey, this casserole tastes different someho - URK!"
[link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html]
Truth is that which is the case. Accept no substitutes.
If competence is considered "hubris" then may I and my country always be as "arrogant" as we can possibly manage.
New Yes I would
and she is the sole beneficiary of my life insurance policy. I can change that at any time, if I so choose. And she can take out a policy on me, without my knowledge, because she has a vested interest in me as the finanical provider for her and her children. If we divorce, I can have that information brought out into the open, and I can even demand that the policy be turned over to me.

One thing that I think the story alludes to is the possibility that the policies stay in effect EVEN AFTER you leave Wal-Mart's employ. Why should they profit from your death, when they no longer have any type of attachment to you as an individual? Don't forget, they got caught lying to a widow, first about even having the policy, and then secondly, about the value of the policy.

Oh, and what about the TAX BREAK they received by taking out a life insurance policy on an employee? It may be legal from an accounting standpoint, but it sure is (to me) unethical to reduce your bottom line by insuring an employee without telling him/her and not provoding any benefits to the widow when it comes time to cash in.


lincoln
"Four score and seven years ago, I had a better sig"
New Reminds me of the "birthday dirge". :)
Your servants steal
Your wife's untrue
Your children plot to murder you.

Happy Birthday.
Happy Birthday.

:)

But, anyway, yes. You see, if someone dies of strange causes, the spouse may be a suspect. And, it is easy to find out if the spouse gets a big insurance payoff.

Now, if the company I work for is carrying a policy, will anyone know?

And it doesn't have to be outright murder. Simply being sufficiently negligent should, statistically, result in a profit.

And if it doesn't, well, they've already saved money by being negligent.

Mo' Money!
Mo' Money!
Mo' Money!

So, the key is to remove any profit from my death. Therefore, if I haven't taken out a policy and named them as recipient OR I don't owe them money and insurance is part of the contract THEN they should not be allowed to profit from my death.
New No-brainer for sure - but exactly the other way around.
Look what do you usually insure?

Yeah, stuff[*]. YOUR OWN stuff -- that's *yours* to insure.

You don't have an insurance policy on your neighbour's car, do you?

Or would you feel all right with me taking out a policy on, say, your house?

No, that's just fucking weird -- your neighbour's car isn't yours to insure, and your house isn't mine to insure.

So even apart from the fucking OBVIOUS conflict of interest in profiting from someone's death[**], this is indeed a fucking no-brainer: The employer doesn't OWN his employees LIVES, so they aren't his to insure.

And that whole concept of "insurable interest" is suspect, too: Seems like just a slimy way of sneaking in-effect "ownership" of someone else's life into the picture, without admitting that exactly that is what it really is. There's insurance for everything, in the world of business too (malpractice-suit insurance, anyone?), so why don't they just take out a regular "unforeseen business problem" policy? Then, *if* a death of an employee really does affect their bottom line, they get to try to prove that when they claim it on that policy.

Due diligence on the part of insurance companies would then work in the opposite way of what Brandi describes: "Well, if you have the guys washing skyscraper windows without a safety line, how 'unforeseen' was it really that one of them would fall?", or "Since Dennis was the only guy in the company who knew how that object-oriented library he'd spent the last seven years building really works, even the slightest -- and required -- amount of foresight would have told you you'd be up the creek without a paddle if you didn't do something about his notoriously lax documentation, now that he stepped in front of that bus".



[*]: Which is why the whole concept of "life insurance" is a bit weird in the first place -- but let's not get into that, here and now.

[**]: And how the HELL could you NOT see that, even before Drew's and Brandioch's explanations??? What the fuck are you, a freaking Capitalism-Über-Alles brain-washed Randroid, replying from reflex in stead of reason?!?
   Christian R. Conrad
Of course, who am I to point fingers? I'm in the "Information Technology" business, prima facia evidence that there's bats in the bell tower.
-- [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=27764|Andrew Grygus]
New Sounds like 'Dennis' is someone you know
===
I can't be a Democrat because I like to spend the money I make.
I can't be a Republican because I like to spend the money I make on drugs and whores.
New Naah, just the canonical example of IT management stupidity.
Though it could of course be that I picked a name not too unlike Linus because it's also the canonical example of what might happen to him in various Linux horror scenarios. ("He doesn't even use CVS!", and so on.)

But I really can't say I know him; only met him the once, briefly, when he signed my copy of _Just for fun_.
   Christian R. Conrad
Of course, who am I to point fingers? I'm in the "Information Technology" business, prima facia evidence that there's bats in the bell tower.
-- [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=27764|Andrew Grygus]
New Re: but exactly the other way around - Nein, Nyet, No


F****** law is agin ya fer F**** sake.

When did morality (which is typically someone's f****** opinion) ever overule the law. This is the f****** USA fer F**** sake.
S*** man!.

In F****** USA law everywhere but Texas say "F****** policy is allowed"

That is a no F****** brainer

Cheers

Doug Marker (grin)
New So much for "a nation of laws"
Even where common sense screams at the implications and the cupidity which lies behind the lobbying for that 'law'. Now then - who but a Corp. favors such a law?

{sigh}

So you're right. But the secret policies are wrong. Next.. will the infotainment publicity have effect, as reelection nears? Squeaky wheel - where will this travesty rank with - so very many Others ??

(Imagine.. 'Texas' is marching in a platoon, and the Sgt. says, Ok you loosers, *everyone's* outta step but Private Texas !!)



Ashton
New Google's "Advance Search" -> "News" doesn't find this story
Just 3 days ago, and Google's News search, though dozens of newspapers and credible news sources over the past 7 days, DOES NOT find this story at all.

Guess the Beta version still needs work.
lincoln
"Four score and seven years ago, I had a better sig"
New Congressman asks the IRS to investigate this "tax dodge"
[link|http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/business/1373629|today's followup]

April 19, 2002, 1:31AM

Green wants IRS to probe secret policies on workers
By L.M. SIXEL
Copyright 2002 Houston Chronicle
U.S. Rep. Gene Green, D-Houston, called on the Internal Revenue Service on Thursday to investigate the possible abuse of so-called "dead peasant" life insurance.

Corporate-owned life insurance -- known as "dead peasant" life insurance in the insurance industry because it is taken out on mid- and low-level employees -- caught Green's attention after being contacted by the Houston Chronicle.

The policies are typically taken out without the knowledge of the workers or their families, and when the employee dies, the company reaps the benefit.

Moreover, the companies write them off their federal taxes as a business expense.

Green called upon IRS Commissioner Charles Rossotti to undertake a detailed analysis of whether companies that write them off as a business expense are really using them as an elaborate tax dodge.

In a prepared statement, Green cited two cases the IRS has brought against CM Holdings (the parent company of Camelot Music) and American Electric Power in which federal judges found that they improperly deducted premiums from their federal income taxes for the corporate-owned life insurance, or COLI.

In the case of CM Holdings, a federal judge in Delaware ruled that the company's deductions were a "sham for tax purposes." The judge further disallowed the company's interest deductions of $13.8 million and penalized the company for substantial understatement, according to Green's statement.

Green said he also plans to introduce a bill in Congress that would force companies to reveal to employees when they take out corporate life insurance policies and the amount of each.

COLIs are different from "key man" insurance, which insures the top executives of a company.

It's impossible to determine how many companies have secretly insured their employees' lives, but one insurance company representative estimated one-fourth of the Fortune 500 firms have taken out the policies.

The legal staff of the Texas Department of Insurance is also taking a look at the use of COLIs in Texas to determine whether there has been a possible violation of the Texas Insurance Code, spokesman Lee Jones said.

The agency is examining the "insurable interest" issue.

In Texas, only those with an "insurable interest" can take out a life insurance policy on someone. That includes a spouse or child, a creditor or "one having a reasonable expectation of pecuniary benefit or advantage from the continued life of another."

In March, U.S. District Judge Nancy Atlas ruled that Wal-Mart has no "insurable interest" in the 350,000 insurance policies it took out on the lives of its employees, and that it's not entitled to the insurance proceeds. She ruled that the death benefits belong to the estates of the deceased workers.

Congress eliminated the tax deduction of COLIs in 1996 but didn't indicate how it would treat tax deductions taken before then, said Bob Espey, a lawyer who specializes in insurance with McClanahan & Clearman in Houston.

He is representing the estates of employees from Wal-Mart as well as workers at Camelot Music who discovered their lives are secretly insured.

But the IRS has elected to treat the deductions as "sham transactions," Espey said.

A lawyer for Camelot did not return a call for comment.
lincoln
"Four score and seven years ago, I had a better sig"
New Unintended association: with 'e coli'. Smooth move(ment)...
Huzzah for Judge Nancy !!














Time to dust-off an earlier sig
Boycott Walmart..
It's still the decent, the Right.. the Honorable thing to do.
New from the WSJ, Friday, 4/19/2002
Page A8, column 4, 1st paragraph:

"We were looking to reduce our corporate income taxes," the spokesman said. "That's really why we did it. ... It was a tax strategy that didn't work out as expected."

There you have it. Wal-Mart didn't give a damn about your past job experiences, your skillset, your knowledge, your potential or capabilities. They did it to get an immediate tax write-off, they did it so that policies would grow income for the company, and so that the company would benefit from your existence and, eventually, your death. You were nothing more than a blip in some accounting spreadsheet for the improvement of the bottom line.

Any wonder why intelligent people trust American corporations less and less...?
lincoln
"Four score and seven years ago, I had a better sig"
     Walmart profits over employee's death - (SpiceWare) - (19)
         Posting full story for archival purposes - (lincoln) - (1)
             Anyone needing further proof about Corporate sociopathy? - (Ashton)
         Surely this is a no-brainer !!! - (dmarker2) - (12)
             Except for this one quote - (drewk) - (6)
                 Re: Except for this one quote - (dmarker) - (2)
                     ? - (drewk) - (1)
                         Logins - (dmarker2)
                 Would you prefer your wife stand to profit from your death? - (marlowe) - (2)
                     Yes I would - (lincoln)
                     Reminds me of the "birthday dirge". :) - (Brandioch)
             No-brainer for sure - but exactly the other way around. - (CRConrad) - (4)
                 Sounds like 'Dennis' is someone you know -NT - (drewk) - (1)
                     Naah, just the canonical example of IT management stupidity. - (CRConrad)
                 Re: but exactly the other way around - Nein, Nyet, No - (dmarker2) - (1)
                     So much for "a nation of laws" - (Ashton)
         Google's "Advance Search" -> "News" doesn't find this story - (lincoln)
         Congressman asks the IRS to investigate this "tax dodge" - (lincoln) - (1)
             Unintended association: with 'e coli'. Smooth move(ment)... - (Ashton)
         from the WSJ, Friday, 4/19/2002 - (lincoln)

Should be pasted on all overpasses.
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