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New I took a few days, too.
Your first sentence is incorrect. Gay couples hardly shock me. My shock was (and thanks to Scott, I freely admit I may have misread the quote) that anyone would consider a gay couple a normal couple. Normal in the sense that homosexuality is the logical outcome of the evolutionary processes that lead to sexual dimorphism. I wonder if it would still shock the senses around here if instead of saying a gay couple was "a couple that deviates from the norm" or the shortened version "deviant couple", I had instead referred to the gay couple as an atypical couple. I honestly still do not personally distinguish meaning between the phrases "deviant behavior" and "atypical behavior" but I know I am in the minority (especially now). If "atypical" is acceptable, I fail to see the controversy in claiming an atypical couple is not a normal (read: typical) couple. YMMV.

Box (with some help from Rand) made me realize something that had eluded my notice. I actually do ascribe some negative connotation to the word "abnormal." I realized this in thinking about how I had inadvertently offended box. I would not personally ever refer to a mixed race couple as an "abnormal" couple (perhaps at least partly because you don't have to go back more than a handful of generations in my own family tree to find a mixed race marriage). Assuming Rand's conjecture that most married couples are of the same race, I might say (with no malice) that the races of the couple deviate from the norm. But I would never say they are an abnormal couple. Technically that might be accurate but I discovered that in my mind "abnormal" somehow contains a tinge of "defective" that I view as wholly inappropriate when describing mixed race couples.

So, thanks for that.

Edit: I actually typed since instead of sense. Sheesh.
Expand Edited by mmoffitt Nov. 17, 2011, 10:40:20 AM EST
New This is why scientists can't do politics
That negative connotation you have for "abnormal"? Virtually all of the rest of us who responded here have that connotation for "deviant". Doesn't matter what it means in a laboratory setting.
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Drew
New Right - that's the real problem.
For me, I have assigned meaning to the word "abnormal" inappropriately and everybody else has assigned meaning to the word "deviate" and its derivatives inappropriately. ;0)
New Re: This is why scientists can't do politics
It is entirely normal and natural for species to have, amongst their populations, homosexual individuals.

This is why homosexuality is normal.

Different, true. Minority, no question. Abnormal? No way.
     "Like any other normal couple"? - (mmoffitt) - (68)
         Yeah, why not? -NT - (drook) - (53)
             Normal Couple? - (mmoffitt) - (52)
                 Re: Normal Couple? - (pwhysall) - (49)
                     "Normal" couple != "Normal couple". - (mmoffitt) - (48)
                         Gay is perfectly natural. - (pwhysall) - (21)
                             Being Black or White is not behavior. - (mmoffitt) - (20)
                                 Two things - (drook) - (13)
                                     That's an argument I'm not making. - (mmoffitt) - (10)
                                         So, mmoffitt... - (rcareaga) - (5)
                                             Assuming your facts. - (mmoffitt) - (4)
                                                 and yet, there seems something else at work here - (rcareaga) - (3)
                                                     There may be something else, I'll grant. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                                         Nah. - (rcareaga) - (1)
                                                             In general, I do find public displays inappropriate. - (mmoffitt)
                                         you have to get to 50% to be normal. - (boxley) - (3)
                                             Not what I said. And you know it. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                                 No, that's *exactly* what you said -NT - (drook)
                                             You deviate you -NT - (crazy)
                                     It used to be - (scoenye) - (1)
                                         Yup, my mother went to Catholic school - (drook)
                                 No, it's an insult when claimed something isn't normal - (crazy) - (2)
                                     Re: No, it's an insult when claimed something isn't normal - (beepster) - (1)
                                         Time and demographics - (crazy)
                                 So... - (folkert)
                                 re: It's an abuse of the word normal - (altmann) - (1)
                                     :0) -NT - (mmoffitt)
                         gasp - (beepster)
                         Are American Indians "deviant"? - (drook) - (22)
                             It's called English. And I know how to use it. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (21)
                                 Yup. Inflammatorily - (crazy) - (20)
                                     Um, no. - (mmoffitt) - (13)
                                         Re: Um, no. - (beepster) - (1)
                                             Forgive for being "textbook correct". :0) - (mmoffitt)
                                         Yes, there is a dispute - (drook) - (10)
                                             So, your conjecture is... - (mmoffitt) - (9)
                                                 Enjoy - (crazy)
                                                 DING! - (drook) - (7)
                                                     Consequence of the argument you made. - (mmoffitt) - (6)
                                                         Here, a quiz for you - (crazy)
                                                         Still framing it as "behavior" ... still wrong -NT - (drook) - (4)
                                                             The existence of the species tells me I'm right. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                                                                 Go read my book quote - (crazy) - (2)
                                                                     Re: Go read my book quote - (beepster) - (1)
                                                                         Easy googleable targets get knocked down -NT - (crazy)
                                     Re: Yup. Inflammatorily - (beepster) - (5)
                                         B.S. - (mmoffitt) - (4)
                                             see my other post. -NT - (beepster)
                                             "accepted" - (drook) - (2)
                                                 The species. HTH. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                                     You asked it? -NT - (drook)
                         You're applying statistical definitions... - (static)
                         yes normal - (boxley)
                 Human sexuality is powerful and erratic. - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                     There's a reason they call it "vanilla". - (static)
         It really depends on how you read that, doesn't it? - (Another Scott) - (2)
             It's much more fun to use technically accurate, loaded words - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                 Project much? -NT - (drook)
         Took a day, but I figured out the problem - (drook) - (10)
             no boggle zone? cmon, mikey can boggle and we can educate - (boxley) - (1)
                 Hmmmmm. -NT - (mmoffitt)
             I thought it was just a boring problem of definition. -NT - (static)
             wrong on one count - (beepster) - (2)
                 Which SW has already admitted to being wrong about - (crazy) - (1)
                     right, wrong dont matter - (beepster)
             I took a few days, too. - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                 This is why scientists can't do politics - (drook) - (2)
                     Right - that's the real problem. - (mmoffitt)
                     Re: This is why scientists can't do politics - (pwhysall)

Do we really have to hide from da cops in da oven, Muggsy?
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