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Amanda Knox’s perverse luck
Her trial made Italian justice look cartoonish -- but she should be glad her appeal wasn't heard in the U.S.


BY NATHANIEL RICH

Amanda Knox is free and the Italian judicial system has proved that its contorted scheme of checks and balances has a profound underlying logic after all.

Much of the anger and bafflement expressed by Knox’s supporters throughout this four-year carnival has been directed at the Italian court: its fervid passion for vacations and postponements; its clownish atmosphere, in which lawyers and defendants shout over each other and wring their hands as in a Pietro Germi comedy; and the fact that jurors are not sequestered, so that the court of public opinion often appears to be the highest court in the land.

But one of the central ironies of this case — and the case had a gluttony of ironies — is that Amanda Knox was extremely fortunate to be tried in the Italian system. Amanda Knox was well aware of this. In Italy, a “life” sentence carries a maximum of 30 years, with time off for good behavior. If Knox had been convicted of murder in her home state, Washington, she would have been on Death Row. In Washington, prisoners sentenced to the death penalty must choose whether they would like to be killed by lethal injection or by hanging. (Washington is the only state that still allows prisoners to be hung.)

Knox’s odds of winning an appeal would also have been dramatically slimmer. While the initial jury trial in Italy resembles an inquisition — the prosecutor assuming the scolding tone of a disappointed Catholic priest — the appeal tilts heavily toward the convicted. In the United States, an appeal can only address issues of law, not of fact, providing limited opportunities for a reversal of the original ruling. In Italy, the appeal is a full do-over. Witnesses are hauled back to the stand, judgments of opinion are freely questioned by the appeals judge and, most crucially, evidence is re-examined.

The critical finding in Knox’s appeal was made by a team of independent experts who ruled that the DNA evidence connecting her and Sollecito to the crime was too weak to satisfy basic international forensic guidelines. In the Italian system, the appeal is often perceived as an act of Christian mercy; it frequently leads to a reduction of sentence, if not a full acquittal. This gives the Italian system a flexibility than its American counterpart doesn’t have.

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Is there left ANY er, aspect of Murican kultur remaining, which is manifestly superior to all contenders--as we race, in turbo-mode, to the Bottom?

DON'T.. in Murica:

Get sick.
Get stopped/arrested/tried/incarcerated/scanned/video'd/TSA-ed ... NOTICED! by any Authority
Count on truthiness as ANY defense (for whatever.)
Count on appropriate drugs/dosages/hands-washed by attendants--without an Ombudsman keeping count, reading labels.
Discount the possibility that your local aquifer contains toxics from a litany of long-term corporate dumping or military equiv.

.. and like that for the next n items. Or just summarize: We Suck; our vacuum is about 6.66 x 10 [E-10] Torr.
New do NOT agree
With a decent lawyer, the case would never have gotten to the next step in the US.

I don't claim we are all so wonderful, but the bottom line is that country is setup for abuse of power on every level, and it is publicly acknowledged by the fact the 2nd level judges have no respect for th 1st level, which means they HAVE to do a full do over.

New Concede that likelihood, in this incompetent case
I meant caution, more generally.
And yes, it seems that a decent lawyer was affordable here, though even a hack could hardly miss.

There remain too many DAs going for a 100% conviction record, a similar mindset to that of the of young/arrogant MDs who make racing games of their 'operations', like any callow teen.
A trial is not supposed to be reduced to dueling/inflated egos. But nearly always is. It's an insoluble conundrum, I expect.

Appeals have their own aberrant mythos, though--I remain as skeptical of the pseudo-science of Law as of Econ.
Digital-think can fubar anything, if adults are not mediating. Of course there are +s here too; I just prefer to stay-away, where I have any choice.

(Now you likely need a Perl script, even to parse the automated evidence VS Statutes/cases that made *your* dBase.)
Shall 'justice' finally be doled out on a Turing-complete machine, via Boolean? It'd be efficient as All (of) Hell.
We already have test-trials for jury massaging, for My Case 1.0 (if you have the $$$) What Can you do with 300M occasional-perps to discipline, eh?

New But incompetent edge cases are where we see the horrors
And we see them on both sides of the puddle.

I know $$ == Justice (or at least an attempt) over here. It's a matter of how much you can afford for a decent lawyer. In their case, it was obvious, that prosecutor has WAY too much power.

http://www.google.co...nster+of+florence

In the case of his previous major fuckup, he ignored evidence, blamed an imaginary evil anti-Christian cult, and when a couple of reporters (one local, one US) pointed out the many discrepancies, he ACCUSED them of being the killers!!!!!!

They MUST be part of the cult because they didn't agree with him. The inquisition is still VERY active.

The US one had to leave the country in 1 day. 1 f'ing day, or he KNEW he'd be in an Italian jail for a very long time. The local one was imprisoned for a couple of months, and was LUCKY to get out.

I also know that we have a basis in our laws that gives the defendant a hell of a lot of protections, IF ONLY THEY KEEP THEIR MOUTH SHUT AND HAVE A LAWYER.

They don't. They don't even have the option most of the time.

In the end Knox WAS convicted of saying bad things about someone else, ie: she agreed with the investigator that someone specific could have been the killer. After days of broken sleep interviews.

When that guy had an alibi, they slammed her with more charges, which ended up with a 3 year sentence, and then they let her go with "time served".

This means anyone in the country who opens up their mouth to the police and gives information about another person stands a possibility of going to jail. For years.

Who the hell would talk to the police in that situation?

I don't claim ours is the BEST POSSIBLE, but I'm pretty sure it's up there as compared to the vast majority of alternatives out there.

And I'm also pretty sure that any laws based on any religion are the starting point for that level of judicial fuck-up.
New Swings and Roundabouts.
The US system (as is the British and Australian) is what is called an adversarial system. More importantly, thay also have morphed a lot with local cultures. I know the French system is inquisitorial, which is profoundly different from the US system, but I don't which the Italian court system is. It sounds like it might be somewhere in the middle.

Miss Knox and her family et al have undoubtedly had a big education in different ways to conduct a trial.

Wade.
Static Scribblings http://staticsan.blogspot.com/
     This why religous nut jobs shouldn't have power - (crazy) - (6)
         What a nightmare... :-( -NT - (Another Scott)
         Even scarier prospect: an appeal in The USSR-of-A - (Ashton) - (4)
             do NOT agree - (crazy) - (2)
                 Concede that likelihood, in this incompetent case - (Ashton) - (1)
                     But incompetent edge cases are where we see the horrors - (crazy)
             Swings and Roundabouts. - (static)

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