to what point and to what end

Post #348,377 by beepster 9/30/11 10:29:44 AM Reply	to what point and to what end this entire thread, which you, in the end, agreed with >me< on, was simply just so you could bullshit pulpit about your particular brand of non religion by assuming a set of beliefs for me (which aren't) and then launching a bunch of personal attacks against it (oh, sorry, you never really meant you). Frankly, you're better than that. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #348,379 by crazy 9/30/11 10:37:45 AM 9/30/11 10:41:27 AM Reply	No, I'm not I'm not "better" than that. I'm expressing a variety of viewpoints that my attitude is based on. It has evolved pretty dramatically over the years, and I accept that there might be something else out there. But extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, not faith. You've heard me spiel enough before, but NEVER in front of your family. That would be wrong. I'm better than "that". On the other hand if your kids reads this some day, and this discussion causes him to question his faith, that would REALLY make you unhappy. Right? Oh, BTW: Religion stole both freedom of choice and love. I want them back. And it can only be done by informing the next generation. This is a long term project. Edited by crazy Sept. 30, 2011, 10:41:27 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #348,383 by beepster 9/30/11 10:49:32 AM Reply	Wrong, and there you go again assuming a set of beliefs onto me that just aren't there. Faith is personal. If my children question it, then they are doing the right thing, for themselves, and I would be anything BUT unhappy. This has already happened. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #348,385 by crazy 9/30/11 10:50:55 AM Reply	Good But my question to you is why did you program something into them that questioning makes you happy?
Post #348,389 by beepster 9/30/11 11:00:59 AM Reply	Who? its societal...unless you're suggesting that I somehow wronged my children by not locking them in the basement. And, btw..this is it. I'm done here. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #348,391 by crazy 9/30/11 11:03:39 AM 9/30/11 11:36:55 AM Reply	I had the same decision When the boy when to his 1st class when he was around 6 years old. Religious training. Yes, I know the teacher is spouting bullshit. Your job is to NOT argue with her. She believes, and we know better, but you are not allowed to argue with the teacher. You are capable of cultural transmission without lying to your kids. At least I was. And now you have another chance. How's the grandkids? Pushing a parent to utilize the local religious school / daycare? And so it happens again. Will you be telling the next generation the truth? And an additional note: I obviously spend a lot of time trying to figure out motivations. Mine 1st, then others. And I toss them out to see which ones get a response, which in turn allows me to focus my thoughts. This really upset you. Adversarial interaction in the forum means personal stuff. What things in your (or anyones else's life) got them to this point that they say and think these things. Whenever it hits that, it's bibi for you. But this discussion is about deeply personal things. It started there. You attempted to couch it in the vast legal framework that may or may not be applied into the situation. But you don't consider the initial goal one that is ever gonna happen, so you are guiding accordingly. Condescendingly. You often say I (and others) have no clue why you think these things. And we should stop bothering to dig. And then you say I'm full of shit when I write in that direction. Pick one or the other. Engage and give reason why you think certain ways (even when personal), or realize that we only have your writing to choose from. And we make our judgments. Feel free to correct them with real information. Or if TOO personal, realize that your lack of serious input is noted. Also, the things we choose not to discuss are the thing we usually aren't very proud of. Are you not proud of your method of cultural transmission, even if you are NOT a believer (which is where this seems to be going but I'm not supposed to ask)? Edited by crazy Sept. 30, 2011, 11:20:40 AM EDT Edited by crazy Sept. 30, 2011, 11:33:18 AM EDT Edited by crazy Sept. 30, 2011, 11:36:55 AM EDT Expand All History

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