Post #348,039
9/23/11 9:12:59 AM
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That may be the best ...
handwaving, glossily produced double-speak I've heard as a defense of the race to the bottom. Why, you make the race to the bottom sound like a good thing. I mean, I get it now. By making themselves ever more obscenely wealthy and pushing down wages and living standards globally, the Capitalist class is actually helping the proletariat. Soon, the working class worldwide will all have the same grovelling level of existence so that they can all equally contribute to the excesses of the Capitalist class. What a wonderful world that will be for everybody.
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Post #348,043
9/23/11 9:30:39 AM
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Now wait just a minute
you made a huge deal of the power of the worker being able to better themselves in dealing against corporations, you've made no mention of anything that the government has done to make things better for humanity.
Now you recant...by reframing my argument as a "race to the bottom" and saying that the heads of corps are getting even more wealthy, alluding to a position that workers are powerless to stop this (which you spend a great deal of time with exactly the opposite position in the post prior)
So it would be better to leave those folks in India jobless and living off of less than $100 per year than to subject someone in this country to poverty defined as living off 90x that number?
Which is it? Do you want to bring the >real< bottom up or just ensure that we make things better for the people who already have more than most of the civilized world?
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
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Post #348,048
9/23/11 10:03:14 AM
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"Real bottom up." Nice try.
That's not what is going on and you know it. What is going on is exactly what you alluded to in your post -> the American working class is having its standard of living lowered to that of your "poor Indian." If this really were about bringing things like the minimum wage, overtime wages, OSHA protections, 40 hour work weeks, safe, clean working conditions, paid vacation time, week-ends off and all the rest to India that would be one thing. But that isn't the goal. The goal is to have the American worker cooking over a dung pile in his cardboard house (just like the untouchables in India), laboring for the benefit of some one wearing an Armani and driving a BMW in Manhattan.
We've had these sorts of people throughout our history (look up "Robber Barons" some time). But the government (prior to its leveraged buyout by Wall Street) and unions used to provide at least some protection from these gluttons.
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Post #348,049
9/23/11 10:12:12 AM
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well other than the fact I buy
my dung in bags marketed by Kingston and royal oak but I live in a house built circa 1973 so it isnt cardboard like the new ones, we are not that far off
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
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Post #348,055
9/23/11 11:00:13 AM
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Can't
this is where your government comes in. There is no possibility of a US person dropping to that level unless our government collapses.
So, since we can't get that bad, and they can only get better, your latest salvo still doesn't fit with your first start into this discussion.
And your position is now extremely xenophobic. Who is to say that we should not aspire to the french model, with 6 wks pd vacation by law minimum, mandatory 34 hr workweek...and maybe the average idian worker is in clean working conditions (relatively speaking) compared to living conditions...and possibly working 12 hours a day 7 days a week to support his family is better than the alternative of no work and starvation...and with no work available, there is no chance that working conditions will ever improve. (naturally)
Suddenly, the US way is the aspiration, even though out of the other side of your mouth it is a way that needs to be destroyed in favor of all power to government...or all power to workers.
And >actually<, what I know is that the BRIC countries (where all of these low cost labor things are built) are now pricing themselves out of that position, because their wages are indeed increasing (just like happened here)...so the real world seems to favor my argument over yours...the US is in no danger of abject poverty as witnessed in other locations, and those other locations are improving because of the global mobility of manufacturing.
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
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Post #348,061
9/23/11 12:16:05 PM
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Re: Can't
--this is where your government comes in. There is no possibility of a US person dropping to that level unless our government collapses.
You have more faith in the Federal Government than I do.
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Post #348,099
9/24/11 5:50:32 AM
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Note: He said "your"
He was being sarcastic.
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Post #348,098
9/24/11 5:48:06 AM
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Beep won't be happy until everyone works in a Maquiladora
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Post #348,109
9/24/11 9:54:39 AM
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only if he runs the Maquilador
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