Still, scale matters

Post #347,941 by S1mon_Jester 9/21/11 11:34:14 AM Reply	Still, scale matters --The article points out a simple fact, there are gaps in spend governance inside the government. It >should< stir up outrage. I disagree that its a distraction, its a symptom. Long and short - yes, it's a symptom. Yes, it should stir up outrage. You'll note the timeframe of the article, right? Finally, as he pointed out - do we want to chase millions when billions are lost? But that's okay...you can keep harping on Obama - I'm sure he - like all Presidents - is personally responsible for every dollar spent in his administration.
Post #347,945 by beepster 9/21/11 12:26:36 PM Reply	Sigh Proper governance fixes the large and small Often we talk about poor gov contracting, contract execution...but all is " too trivial" Point is, if they can't spend 10000 well, why do those here assume it magically gets better when you add six more zeroes Instead, the only fix is to continue to give them more and more money to waste. Welcome to this lesson in "what pisses off tea partiers" (and no, I am not affiliated..just detailing that it means taxed enough already) Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #347,946 by S1mon_Jester 9/21/11 1:06:18 PM Reply	Re: Sigh --Proper governance fixes the large and small ideally, yes --Often we talk about poor gov contracting, contract execution...but all is " too trivial" To whom? You're talking about a single contract -- but policy changes occurred back in 2003 and they were rushed in and everyone was "fine" with it because it "had to be done." No offense, but Tea Partiers (which you claim not to be one) supported those changes and now you're whining about them because another party holds the executive office. I'd feel far more comfortable if those complaints were consistent, regardless of whom was in office....or at least the scale of expenditures. --Instead, the only fix is to continue to give them more and more money to waste. Well, to quote the last administration, we're (still) currently in two wars. We've added Libya. We still getting attacked at our embassies. Or are those reasons no longer valid? --Welcome to this lesson in "what pisses off tea partiers" Nope, sorry, don't believe it. History (including the previous administration) shows what "pisses off tea partiers"...and it's not the deficits or the corruption. It's that a Democrat is in the Executive Office.
Post #347,949 by boxley 9/21/11 1:18:41 PM Reply	dunno about tea partiers I dont care who is in the whitehouse spending my dough, I get pissed when it is spent wrongly (unless I personally profit from it, that's different) Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
Post #347,984 by S1mon_Jester 9/22/11 10:10:33 AM Reply	chuckle. --I dont care who is in the whitehouse spending my dough, I get pissed when it is spent wrongly Sigh. So beat up this administration: nevermind that the article cited events back to 2007. Certainly beat up anyone who tries to point out that minor detail.
Post #347,985 by beepster 9/22/11 12:08:46 PM Reply	You are the only one mentioning a specific administration Box did not. I did not. Only you, the kneejerk defender of Obama. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #347,989 by boxley 9/22/11 12:18:35 PM Reply	naw, I think even he is getting sick of him Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
Post #347,994 by S1mon_Jester 9/22/11 1:34:58 PM 9/22/11 1:38:40 PM Reply	Allow me to quote you... --I did not. Post #51043 Instead of wondering what other governance may be questionable (like investments in solar companies) Post #51045 Solar thing is different, more likely a result of corruption...a different symptom of the same disease. Post #51067 You don't need to buy insurance either. You haven't been forced to do that until Obamacare. 1) All 3 posts made before I said a word. 2) You're welcome to argue that Bush made questionable investments in solar companies. 3) You're welcome to believe I'm kneejerking/defending Obama...but other posts elsewhere will lay false that claim. Isn't it funny -- someone points out how BAD the Bush administration was, and you claim they're defending Obama? Think about it. Edited by S1mon_Jester Sept. 22, 2011, 01:38:40 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #347,998 by beepster 9/22/11 2:52:26 PM Reply	will grant you obamacare as a mention...however, every criticism in the entire thread was >government<..not >Obama<. The solar was a reference to government waste currently in news, as was "muffingate". If you'd like, I can also talk about "Marine 1" which spans multiple presidents as another shining example of how the system is messed up. We can even talk about the highways bill under Bush that put up half a billion for the 2 bridges in alaska, including the now famous bridge to nowhere. Does this make you feel better? And again, you pull these quotes from a context of posts that all reference "government"...and you were the first to put it as a direct critique of obama...so the kneejerk response stands. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #348,001 by boxley 9/22/11 3:26:00 PM Reply	road to the airport dammit Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
Post #348,008 by beepster 9/22/11 5:26:49 PM Reply	Re: road to the airport dammit Ok sparky;-) road to the airport Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #348,011 by folkert 9/22/11 5:41:44 PM Reply	You stepped on the "AK" thinger for boxley!
Post #348,013 by beepster 9/22/11 5:46:26 PM Reply	yes I did. though he only provided clarity on the name, not a challenge to the fact that it was not a good use of funds. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #348,019 by folkert 9/22/11 6:13:31 PM Reply	True.
Post #347,950 by beepster 9/21/11 1:25:45 PM Reply	Re: Sigh Been complaining about this through all administrations. This one is askIng for 1.5 trillion more from us Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.

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