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Post #346,935 by Another Scott 8/29/11 6:09:16 PM Reply	Hmm... Did Bush get his way in privatizing Social Security? Nope. The guy in the White House does matter. But he's not king. He can't pass his agenda without enough people to vote for it. Please tell me what Obama could have done to change the mind of Blanche Lincoln and Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman and all the rest. I'd love to hear it. Cheers, Scott.
Post #346,938 by hnick 8/29/11 6:41:37 PM Reply	Re: Hmm... Talk to their constituents? Present an energetic, cogent, case for an objective? Embarrass the lower houses for their fecklessness? Get angry? Fight? I would bet that if he got on national TV and actually fought for a point, he might just engage all those people who got him elected. Might actually stir something up and make changes. I would also bet that he does not want to stir up anything or make any changes. But I may just be getting a little cynical... Sorry about the tenor of the previous post; I'm in a certain amount of pain and it's making me a bit grouchy.
Post #346,940 by Another Scott 8/29/11 7:09:43 PM Reply	There was an election a short time ago. He believes in giving elected representatives a great deal of respect. Even when it's inconvenient for his agenda. I expect him to do more of what you're suggesting in the coming months, but he's not going to change his spots. I don't disagree that it would be nice if he would push for his policies more. But he's playing the long game. Time will tell if he'll be more successful in 2012 in building a larger majority... I hope you feel better soon. Don't worry about being grouchy. J will tell you that I deserve it much of the time. ;-) Cheers, Scott.
Post #347,016 by mmoffitt 8/30/11 2:25:14 PM Reply	That's interesting. Even when it's inconvenient for his agenda. Reading that the second time, I realized something. Aside from keeping his nose in the public trough, I have no idea what "his agenda" is. It turns out that it isn't what he campaigned on. Thus the disaffections. That is the problem in a nutshell.

Of course a politician can lie and change his mind... - (Another Scott) - (32) - Aug. 27, 2011, 11:43:16 PM EDT

maybe they dont like republicans, they still vote for them -NT - (boxley) - Aug. 28, 2011, 12:17:27 PM EDT

I think you're misunderestimating the Murican Peeple. - (mmoffitt) - (30) - Aug. 29, 2011, 08:34:30 AM EDT

On the last: Here's hoping. ;-) -NT - (Another Scott) - (1) - Aug. 29, 2011, 09:09:58 AM EDT

Hey, that'd be two times this century. ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt) - Aug. 29, 2011, 09:15:01 AM EDT

Whoa, the kids f'ed up, he didn't. - (crazy) - (27) - Aug. 29, 2011, 10:47:40 AM EDT

I have a Master's in Math. - (mmoffitt) - (26) - Aug. 29, 2011, 11:14:21 AM EDT

Here we go again. - (Another Scott) - (23) - Aug. 29, 2011, 11:29:08 AM EDT

Single Payer doesn't count as progressive? - (mmoffitt) - (20) - Aug. 29, 2011, 03:47:28 PM EDT

Of course if was off the table - (crazy) - (19) - Aug. 29, 2011, 03:58:45 PM EDT

Point == missed. - (mmoffitt) - (18) - Aug. 29, 2011, 04:05:05 PM EDT

He doesn't propose things that he doesn't think can pass. - (Another Scott) - (17) - Aug. 29, 2011, 05:02:51 PM EDT

Ok. He's a powerless drone. Gotcha. - (hnick) - (5) - Aug. 29, 2011, 05:53:45 PM EDT

Hmm... - (Another Scott) - (3) - Aug. 29, 2011, 06:09:16 PM EDT

Re: Hmm... - (hnick) - (2) - Aug. 29, 2011, 06:41:37 PM EDT

There was an election a short time ago. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Aug. 29, 2011, 07:09:43 PM EDT

That's interesting. - (mmoffitt) - Aug. 30, 2011, 02:25:14 PM EDT

Careful. That's how I got slammed 3 years ago. - (mmoffitt) - Aug. 30, 2011, 08:54:37 AM EDT

The ultimate rationalization of following instead of leading - (beepster) - (10) - Aug. 29, 2011, 05:58:19 PM EDT

Non sequitur, as usual. -NT - (Another Scott) - (4) - Aug. 29, 2011, 06:09:35 PM EDT

Your title said it. - (beepster) - (3) - Aug. 30, 2011, 06:38:37 AM EDT

No leadership? - (Another Scott) - (2) - Aug. 30, 2011, 07:08:28 AM EDT

no - (beepster) - (1) - Aug. 30, 2011, 07:42:15 AM EDT

Heh. -NT - (Another Scott) - Aug. 30, 2011, 07:45:48 AM EDT

If leadership - (S1mon_Jester) - (4) - Aug. 30, 2011, 01:20:11 PM EDT

Course you would - (beepster) - (2) - Aug. 30, 2011, 02:13:23 PM EDT

Meaningless riposte as usual, begging the question - (Ashton) - (1) - Aug. 30, 2011, 02:56:15 PM EDT

tit for tat. -NT - (beepster) - Aug. 30, 2011, 03:31:33 PM EDT

I've got your leadership right here. - (mmoffitt) - Aug. 30, 2011, 03:15:57 PM EDT

A wiki link? - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Aug. 29, 2011, 03:49:25 PM EDT

We've been through it before. - (Another Scott) - Aug. 29, 2011, 05:07:20 PM EDT

Which means you work at the esoteric high side - (crazy) - Aug. 29, 2011, 01:10:34 PM EDT

heh heh - (beepster) - Aug. 29, 2011, 03:59:56 PM EDT

More left-wing than Stalin!
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