Post #338,580
1/14/11 7:49:12 AM
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so your point is
That every gun owner is trigger happy with no ability to assess a situation and that this guy was just lucky.
Got it
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
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Post #338,597
1/14/11 12:05:35 PM
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No
some are, some aren't. Depending on them all being non-trigger-happy is dumb.
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Post #338,599
1/14/11 12:12:32 PM
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Does this also apply to law enforcement?
just asking....as you are all in heavy generalization mode at this time.
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
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Post #338,600
1/14/11 12:28:59 PM
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Strawman much?
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Post #338,606
1/14/11 1:42:03 PM
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Yep. Certainly do.
However, in many cases, the folks concealing and carrying here are former military (Tucson also a very large military community) and are more than likely better trained than their law-enforcement counterparts.
However, as that doesn't fit into your stereotype, I apologize for bringing that point up.
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
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Post #338,610
1/14/11 1:55:39 PM
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Dude, you're completely mischaracterizing what I said
Trusting that ALL of them will be reasonable (as is the case in AZ under current law) is just nuts. All those reasonable trained conceal carry people aren't going to make one bit of difference if the guy you're next to isn't one of them.
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Post #338,611
1/14/11 2:04:52 PM
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Possible
as you were throwing it in as a carry-on from Linc's massive generalization....
My point is that its likely even-odds, or possibly better odds that the private citizen carrying is better trained that the law enforcement officer at the scene.
And when you add the Tom Brokaw thing in...well thats just silly is what that is.
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
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Post #338,613
1/14/11 2:09:08 PM
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I don't know anything about the Tom Brokaw thing
I don't watch TV, let alone US broadcast news TV. And I'm not Linc.
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Post #338,617
1/14/11 2:23:49 PM
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Should read all of my posts then ;-)
Since I posted it all here this morning.
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
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Post #338,652
1/15/11 2:38:44 PM
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trying to put your words into my mouth
another straw man attempt on your part. Another fail.
"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from."
-- E.L. Doctorow
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Post #338,653
1/15/11 2:44:31 PM
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No I'm not. I'm countering the implication in your link.
you posted a link of a very astute observation...that Mr Z was careful.
Then they go on to at least imply that regardless of that fact, its a bad thing that he was carrying.
How about the other what if...that the shooter had reloaded and was getting ready to let off another 31 rounds and Mr Z got out there and took him down?
Would we be implying that he should not have been allowed to carry then?
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
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Post #338,656
1/15/11 2:48:38 PM
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We can play "What If" all day long if you want
"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from."
-- E.L. Doctorow
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Post #338,661
1/15/11 3:36:47 PM
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Yes we can
and come to completely different conclusions doing so. Felt it was rather poor writing on the part of your original author, however...as it relied on what actually did NOT happen to support the case.
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
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Post #338,654
1/15/11 2:45:57 PM
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AH, wrong link level.
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
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