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New leftist calls for violence and intimidation
the vitriol is over the top but for the liberals who insist that their rhetoric is metaphors while the conservative rhetoric is a threat is disengenous as well as a danger to all of our freedoms

http://www.epw.senat...4650-CB6A01303A65
NASA scientist James Hansen has created worldwide media frenzy with his call for trials against those who dissent against man-made global warming fears.


eco terrorists
http://www.adl.org/l...picked=4&item=eco domestic terrorists from the left

http://greenhellblog...ail-for-coal-ceo/
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. said at today’s Capitol Climate Action rally that Massey Energy CEO Don Blankenship “should be in jail… for all of eternity.”


http://www.climatede...leep-in-your-beds
Update: Romm defends remarks as 'not a threat, but a prediction' -- Strangle Skeptics in Bed! 'An entire generation will soon be ready to strangle you and your kind while you sleep in your beds'


http://nospeedbumps.com/?p=1465
… “What I would challenge you to do is to put a lot of effort into trying to see whether there’s a legal way of throwing our so-called leaders into jail because what they’re doing is a criminal act,” said Dr. Suzuki, a former board member of the Canadian Civil Liberties Association.


http://epw.senate.go...4BF9-C3F02278F4CF
“It is my intention to destroy your career as a liar. If you produce one more editorial against climate change, I will launch a campaign against your professional integrity. I will call you a liar and charlatan to the Harvard community of which you and I are members. I will call you out as a man who has been bought by Corporate America. Go ahead, guy. Take me on."



Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
New Re: leftist calls for violence and intimidation
Yeah... lots of people talking about shooting people there, Box.

You guys are off your false equivalency rocker. I can't help but notice that neither of you have commented on Linc's list of actual violence by the right wing except to note that one person was a Democrat... which given the proclivities of folks like Ben Nelson is a distinction without a difference. I'm not talking about the hair-thin margin between your two major political parties; I'm talking about the vast amount of moneys spent in your mass media to give platforms to people who argue that those who disagree deserve death.
New in the post are bombings and arson I guess that doesnt count
and in linc's list almost all of those are single issue folks who chose violence, one guy was a aryan nation nazi who chose to kill everyone in sight at the holocaust museum, yeah sure pin that one on palin as well.

Sorry Jake I know you believe that violence from the left is justified but never by the right. Its okay to feel that way but some of us think there should be a pox on all those houses.
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
New Since when have I said violence from the left
is always justified? You argue like someone without an argument on this, Box.

Since when did I say it was all Palin's fault? I said it was the right wing's fault, not Palin's... she's just in there because she's one of their stars and actually mentioned the target in this case by name, but she's hardly the only one, nor even the most egregious.

Stop misrepresenting my arguments... and I can't help but notice that you've dropped the claim that the separatists in Quebec were motivated by socialism rather than nationalism.
New hardly FIFY means fixed it for ya
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
New I agree on Massey / Don Blankenship
That guy owned the state, owned the inspectors, and has THOUSANDS of violations that he ignored. Multiple people died in his operations, in multiple incidents, and he continued to ignore the safety violations. He tried to keep the few inspectors that cared out, and when the collapse happened, he attempted to blame the inspectors!

Very few people were willing to talk about it because he had so much power.

If he's not evil, he brushes his teeth with it in the morning, and that is close enough for me.

So, if someone deserves to die a horrible death (let's say slow suffocation while you know people are just a few feet away and UNWILLING to save you because it might cut into their profit (hey, where were the legally required safe areas that had air supplies? Nah, too expensive, fuck'em. How about the required ventilation to exhaust the explosive coal dust? Broke, known, didn't care)), he's pretty much up there on the list.
New Evidence is stronger when it comes from original sources.
1) Inhofe's committee cites "TheRegister". ROFL. TheReg covers climate news because they enjoy the page views, not because they're a credible outfit in that area. TheReg cites the Guardian. The second link is the Guardian - a story about his interview with them.

Here's what Hansen said in the interview - http://www.guardian....e.carbonemissions

Special interests have blocked transition to our renewable energy future. Instead of moving heavily into renewable energies, fossil companies choose to spread doubt about global warming, as tobacco companies discredited the smoking-cancer link. Methods are sophisticated, including funding to help shape school textbook discussions of global warming.

CEOs of fossil energy companies know what they are doing and are aware of long-term consequences of continued business as usual. In my opinion, these CEOs should be tried for high crimes against humanity and nature.

Conviction of ExxonMobil and Peabody Coal CEOs will be no consolation if we pass on a runaway climate to our children. Humanity would be impoverished by ravages of continually shifting shorelines and intensification of regional climate extremes. Loss of countless species would leave a more desolate planet.

If politicians remain at loggerheads, citizens must lead. We must demand a moratorium on new coal-fired power plants. We must block fossil fuel interests who aim to squeeze every last drop of oil from public lands, off-shore, and wilderness areas. Those last drops are no solution. They yield continued exorbitant profits for a short-sighted self-serving industry, but no alleviation of our addiction or long-term energy source.


Hint - it's hyperbole ("extravagant exaggeration"). There is no such thing as laws on "high crimes against humanity and nature". He's not calling for "trials against those who dissent against man-made global warming fears." as your excerpt put it. That's a lie.

See what happens when words are taken out of context?

Was Hansen running for Congress? Is Hansen an elected official? Is Hansen's job work as a political operative? Does Hansen have a media show or column? Has he threatened anyone?

2) Did those "eco terrorists of the left" make threats against elected officials or anyone else?

3) I wasn't aware that saying someone should be in jail (hint: often more hyperbole) is the same as saying that violence should be used against them.

4) Um, an argument between bloggers (at least one of whom appears to be rather kooky). I'm not wading through all that.

5) Again, saying one thinks someone should be in jail is not the same as advocating violence against them.

6) One side of a heated email argument. And he apologized. http://www.openmarke...lewis-or-does-he/

HTH.

Cheers,
Scott.
New not acceptable
hansen is the agw worshippers High Priest. The cite was valid and in context as he wants people jailed who dare disagree with him. Dont fly the false flag of convenience
"has he threatened anyone?" didnt you read his quote?
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
New fail
you're purposely ignoring the reality of the points in the post - none of the quotes you cite show someone advocating actual physical violence against someone with an opposing viewpoint. Wanting to jail someone is not equal to saying someone ought to be shot in any way, shape or form.

And the list of 18 whackos were of people were committed ACTUAL acts of violence or were caught BEFORE they could commit violent acts that they were planning.




"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from."

-- E.L. Doctorow
New your fail, aryan nazi != FOP
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
New Reaction to TOTBAL
There Ought To Be a Law

Every time someone says that, I answer: How would you enforce the law? Are you willing to put people in jail to enforce the law? Are you willing to kill those that refuse to be put in jail? Are you willing to be the person who pulls them out of bed in the middle of the night and shoots them?

My daughter hates when I do that, especially because when she becomes queen, she has a long laundry list of laws she wants to implement. They all seem like puppies and hugs, until you realize they take away 90% of your freedom. At least to me.

I hate that phrase, especially when bandied about by whiners.

Something tells me that every time Box or Beep hear anything that feels like someone is saying TOTBAL, their internal process runs a loop kind of like mine, and they take it out a few more steps, assuming that person answers yes to all my questions.

And then reacts accordingly.

New Guess they forgot about this guy
http://washingtonexa...iscovery-building

The man, identified by a law enforcement official as James J. Lee, 43, of Silver Spring, was a radical environmental activist who had protested at the Discovery building in the past over programming he felt endangered the planet.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexa...ing#ixzz1AwTsUhH4
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
New Re: leftist calls for violence and intimidation
The right-wing effort to avoid blame for violence, which we certainly see at work in these comments--by saying extremists on the left and the right are equally guilty of inflammatory and murderous rhetoric--is completely dishonest.

There is no prominent figure on the left equivalent to Ann Coulter, who has said that a baseball bat is the most effective way to talk to liberals, and who has said that the real debate about Bill Clinton should not have been whether to impeach him, but whether to assassinate him, and whose only regret about the Oklahoma City bombing was that McVeigh did not set off his truck bomb in front of the New York Times building.

There is no prominent figure on the left equivalent to Bill O'Reilly who has said that liberal bloggers should be dealt with with a hand grenade, that liberal talk show hosts should be put in chains, and suggested that al Qaeda attack San Francisco.

There is no prominent figure on the left equivalent to Glen Beck who jokes about poisoning Nancy Pelosi, compares Al Gore to Hitler, and equates immigration reform with burning American citizens alive.

There is no prominent figure on the left equivalent to talk show host Michael Savage who thinks "smallpox in a blanket" (which he says, without a hint of disapproval, that we used against Cherokees) is actually too good for liberals.

There is no prominent figure on the left equivalent to Rush Limbaugh who jocularly advocates killing all but two liberals on every campus, leaving those two as a reminder.

Limbaugh and all the rest of them, when called on such stuff, will become indignant and say "Can't you liberals recognize political humor? I was just (nudge, nudge, wink, wink) 'joking' after all."

So basically we have the following situation: Republican extremists advocate, overtly or by suggestion, the killing of people they disagree with. Liberals reply, mildly, as liberals do, "you shouldn't be saying stuff like that." Republicans then declare, "Hey, now THAT'S poisonous rhetoric. THAT'S a blood libel. That's wrong. And we should put an end such poisonous rhetoric, both from the left and right."




"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from."

-- E.L. Doctorow
New Ah...
gone from on tv every day advocating yadda...to "prominent figures".

Do we want to introduce all of hollywood and most of pop culture as opposition?

Or would you rather just go back and look at things like this...

http://www.huffingto...-for_n_98557.html

Hell, if I review enough tape, might even be able to catch snippets of Rachel Maddow advocating violence...but that would likely be too painful an exercise.

Really, anyone on tv daily...I could probably pull tape and Kathy Lee Gifford...
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
New O'Reilly's on tv every day
Glenn Beck's on tv every day. It's been proven that 3 whackjobs were inspired/incited by Beck to go out and try to kill somebody. And O'Reilly's constant demonizing of Dr. Tiller certainly played a part in the man having to wear a bulletproof vest every day - even on Sundays when he was an usher at church. Still didn't save his life, did it?

Heaven forbid that you watch Rachel Maddow - all those facts she displays every show, used as foundations for her opinions, can't have Beep facing the potential of having to question anything he believes in, can we?




"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from."

-- E.L. Doctorow
New You'd be surprised
by what I watch and what I don't watch, of that I'm certain of.
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
New How soon you forget, Box

(U//FOUO) Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment

7 April 2009

(U) Prepared by the Extremism and Radicalization Branch, Homeland Environment Threat Analysis Division. Coordinated with the FBI.



The full report here: http://www.fas.org/i...int/rightwing.pdf


Notice the word Rightwing in the report's title? The Department of Homeland Security, working with the FBI, saw how the current environment, like a perfect storm, came together to create the fertile ground that's producing these violent nutjobs.




"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from."

-- E.L. Doctorow
New roflmao! thanx for the humor
thats just a reason to crank up the internment camps
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
New Hrm...
was it Hoover?...hmmm
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
     leftist calls for violence and intimidation - (boxley) - (18)
         Re: leftist calls for violence and intimidation - (jake123) - (4)
             in the post are bombings and arson I guess that doesnt count - (boxley) - (2)
                 Since when have I said violence from the left - (jake123) - (1)
                     hardly FIFY means fixed it for ya -NT - (boxley)
             I agree on Massey / Don Blankenship - (crazy)
         Evidence is stronger when it comes from original sources. - (Another Scott) - (4)
             not acceptable - (boxley) - (2)
                 fail - (lincoln) - (1)
                     your fail, aryan nazi != FOP -NT - (boxley)
             Reaction to TOTBAL - (crazy)
         Guess they forgot about this guy - (beepster)
         Re: leftist calls for violence and intimidation - (lincoln) - (3)
             Ah... - (beepster) - (2)
                 O'Reilly's on tv every day - (lincoln) - (1)
                     You'd be surprised - (beepster)
         How soon you forget, Box - (lincoln) - (2)
             roflmao! thanx for the humor - (boxley) - (1)
                 Hrm... - (beepster)

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