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New should the folks on the left also tone down the violent
rhetoric? Or just the righties
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
New Only Sarah and Rush. No one else says anything like that.
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
New Some linkies that may be of interest.
http://www.csgv.org/...rrection-timeline

FWIW.

(via Digby)

Cheers,
Scott.
New Re: Some linkies that may be of interest.
http://blogs.wsj.com...t-we-bring-a-gun/
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
New Exactly the same. Of course.
Out of context comments at a political fundraiser are exactly the same as hundreds of instances of incitement to violence. Exactly.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Hand selected from one group
leaving out another...Exactly.
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
New Re: Some linkies that may be of interest.
http://townhall.com/...quotes/page/full/
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
New thats different and doesnt count :-)
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New Well, I'm sure it's okay, 'cause I bet he had one of these:
http://mailer.fsu.ed...vi/lib-permit.jpg

Beep and box, please show me the conservative hunting permit? C'mon, seriously. Pony up boys.
New pretty sure you could have these people make you one
http://www.pinkpistols.org/
and since the shooter was a leftist pothead Im not sure why he would carry one of those
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New Pothead, yes. Leftist, not so much
He's a goldbug... which is not so lefty a position.
New Re: Well, I'm sure it's okay, 'cause I bet he had one of the
http://home.comcast....huntingpermit.jpg

And you can make one yourself any time...along with a terrorist hunting license, etc.

Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
New Re: Some linkies that may be of interest. (more)
http://michellemalki...primer-2000-2010/

Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
New Re: Some linkies that may be of interest. (more)
Malkin? And yeah, because all of those people have the same kind of platform that Palin has.

Dude, I can't help but point out that it's the right wing that are, you know... actually killing people in your country.
New Sshhhh..! digital-think is its own Reward


I could almost see voting for Palin in 2012 on the grounds that this sorry ratfucking excuse for a republic, this savage, smirking, predatory empire deserves her. Bring on the Rapture, motherfuckers!
-- via RC
New Correct, of course..
as all discourse is naturally one sided.

Don't think Bill Maher has a platform? And who is giving these folks the press?

Nah, its too easy just to blame one side and be done with it...

Lets put Sarah in the chair for justice...
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
New th IRS bomb guy was a democrat
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New But he's not so popular.
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
New of course all of your mad bombers were socialists
but I guess its more socially acceptable and I notice they are getting ready to startup again
http://www.thestar.c...ce-on-sovereignty
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New That wasn't socialism
that was nationalism, and you know it.
New sure it was, you betcha
http://en.wikipedia....on_du_Qu%C3%A9bec
FLQ members practised propaganda of the deed and issued declarations that called for a socialist insurrection against oppressors identified with "Anglo-Saxon" imperialism,[1] the overthrow of the Quebec government, the independence of Quebec from Canada and the establishment of a French-speaking Quebecer "workers' society". The organization was also influenced by other movements, such as those for the independence of former colonies such as Algeria, Vietnam and Cuba.
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New Anti-colonialism, and un Quebec francais
fait de pure laine contre les Anglais imperialistes dans leurs tours d'affaires salles a Montreal. Don't try to run that one Box, you know it's bullshit. Sure, they dug the market socialism, but the socialism wasn't the driving force, it was wishing to make the quiet revolution loud and chase all of the English out of Quebec, not just the rich ones. Fortunately, the vast majority of Quebeckers didn't agree with them.
New Anti-colonialism, and un Quebec Francais Socialiste FIFY
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New Who'd a thunk it...
gotta watch those independents...must feel slighted for never getting talked about except at election time.

http://voices.washin...-was-a-regis.html
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
New naw their hands are whitehot from fapping all day over palin
they dont care what his politics were, they are too busy jerkin off to their fantasies
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New Re: should the folks on the left also tone down the violent

Moreover, what's equally undeniable is that it comes amid a gradually mounting litany of violence directed against "liberal" and government targets, effectively suggesting a fresh onset of domestic terrorism from the extremist American Right.

Just in the past two and a half years, here's the record of "isolated incidents" amassed so far:


-- July 2008: A gunman named Jim David Adkisson, agitated at how "liberals" are "destroying America," walks into a Unitarian Church and opens fire, killing two churchgoers and wounding four others.

-- October 2008: Two neo-Nazis are arrested in Tennessee in a plot to murder dozens of African-Americans, culminating in the assassination of President Obama.

-- December 2008: A pair of "Patriot" movement radicals -- the father-son team of Bruce and Joshua Turnidge, who wanted "to attack the political infrastructure" -- threaten a bank in Woodburn, Oregon, with a bomb in the hopes of extorting money that would end their financial difficulties, for which they blamed the government. Instead, the bomb goes off and kills two police officers. The men eventually are convicted and sentenced to death for the crime.

-- December 2008: In Belfast, Maine, police discover the makings of a nuclear "dirty bomb" in the basement of a white supremacist shot dead by his wife. The man, who was independently wealthy, reportedly was agitated about the election of President Obama and was crafting a plan to set off the bomb.

-- January 2009: A white supremacist named Keith Luke embarks on a killing rampage in Brockton, Mass., raping and wounding a black woman and killing her sister, then killing a homeless man before being captured by police as he is en route to a Jewish community center.

-- February 2009: A Marine named Kody Brittingham is arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate President Obama. Brittingham also collected white-supremacist material.

-- April 2009: A white supremacist named Richard Poplawski opens fire on three Pittsburgh police officers who come to his house on a domestic-violence call and kills all three, because he believed President Obama intended to take away the guns of white citizens like himself. Poplawski is currently awaiting trial.

-- April 2009: Another gunman in Okaloosa County, Florida, similarly fearful of Obama's purported gun-grabbing plans, kills two deputies when they come to arrest him in a domestic-violence matter, then is killed himself in a shootout with police.

-- May 2009: A "sovereign citizen" named Scott Roeder walks into a church in Wichita, Kansas, and assassinates abortion provider Dr. George Tiller.

-- June 2009: A Holocaust denier and right-wing tax protester named James Von Brunn opens fire at the Holocaust Museum, killing a security guard.

-- February 2010: An angry tax protester named Joseph Ray Stack flies an airplane into the building housing IRS offices in Austin, Texas. (Media are reluctant to label this one "domestic terrorism" too.)

-- March 2010: Seven militiamen from the Hutaree Militia in Michigan and Ohio are arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate local police officers with the intent of sparking a new civil war.

-- March 2010: An anti-government extremist named John Patrick Bedell walks into the Pentagon and opens fire, wounding two officers before he is himself shot dead.

-- May 2010: A "sovereign citizen" from Georgia is arrested in Tennessee and charged with plotting the violent takeover of a local county courthouse.

-- May 2010: A still-unidentified white man walks into a Jacksonville, Fla., mosque and sets it afire, simultaneously setting off a pipe bomb.

-- May 2010: Two "sovereign citizens" named Jerry and Joe Kane gun down two police officers who pull them over for a traffic violation, and then wound two more officers in a shootout in which both of them are eventually killed.

-- July 2010: An agitated right-winger and convict named Byron Williams loads up on weapons and drives to the Bay Area intent on attacking the offices of the Tides Foundation and the ACLU, but is intercepted by state patrolmen and engages them in a shootout and armed standoff in which two officers and Williams are wounded.

-- September 2010: A Concord, N.C., man is arrested and charged with plotting to blow up a North Carolina abortion clinic. The man, 26-year--old Justin Carl Moose, referred to himself as the "Christian counterpart to (Osama) bin Laden” in a taped undercover meeting with a federal informant.



The Giffords shooting brings the tally to 19 total cases of domestic-terrorism inspired by right-wing extremism in the past couple of years. Oh, excuse me: I meant to say "isolated incidents". Because that is how each of these cases was treated -- and how they continue to be reported by the mainstream media, particularly at Fox, which generally does not report on them at all.

We'd like to ask Glenn Reynolds and Michelle Malkin: Exactly how many left-wingers can you find out there who walk into churches, museums and political rallies and shoot people in the head?



http://crooksandliar...-another-isolated


Answer the highlighted last sentence above - I'd love to see a list of liberals who were either incited or inspired by the equivalent to Fox Network to plan to murder conservative politicians.




"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from."

-- E.L. Doctorow
New you have a dem in that list
-- February 2010: An angry tax protester named Joseph Ray Stack flies an airplane into the building housing IRS offices in Austin, Texas. (Media are reluctant to label this one "domestic terrorism" too.)
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New Evidence, please.
New and it's RepubliCANTS and Fake News
that have created the environment in which these acts have occurred in the past few years.

Now, I ask again, if you can show me someone who is on television every day advocating violence against RepubliCANT politicians, post your proof.




"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from."

-- E.L. Doctorow
New every day bush was in office
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New I was alive and awake back then
watching network news every day - still can't remember Elizabeth Vargas, Charles Gibson, Brian Williams, katie Couric, Dan Rather, or Bob Scheiffer advocating that liberals go attack RepubliCANT politicians.

I do remember reading many blogs where people (not politicians or news reporters) wrote in saying that Bush and Cheney should be tried for war crimes, though.




"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from."

-- E.L. Doctorow
New show me the evidence
of people at that level in the republican party who is on television every day advocating violence against democrats.

on tv

every day

advocating violence.

As your friend nother is fond of saying, evidence please.

You won't be able to because that person does not exist.
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
New RE: show me the evidence
at "which level"? Please define. Oh, right - it's just another straw man. Not gonna play that game.

Like I told Box, go to mediamatters and do a search on the shit Rushbo says, then do a search on "eliminationist" rhetoric from the right wingnuts. And then go read all about the wonderful things RepubliCANTS and their mouthpieces on Faux Noise say about liberals and Democrats:

http://dneiwert.blog...ica-appendix.html





"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from."

-- E.L. Doctorow
New Excuse me, its your need to qualify your statement
and you give me a link with maybe 1 example from someone on television.

You can't qualify your own statement.

Ann Coulter is the best you got?
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
New Re: Excuse me, its your need to qualify your statement
For decades, the right wing has said that everything from TV to music to films contributes to the downfall of people and to criminal acts. According to the right wing, even the Janet Jackson wardrobe malfunction "hurt" and influenced tens of thousands of people and promptly slapped huge fines on the network. Yet, now, they say rhetoric is not to blame. Today, Sarah Palin said: "They begin and end with the criminals who commit them, not collectively with all the citizens of a state, not with those who listen to talk radio, not with maps of swing districts used by both sides of the aisle, not by law abiding citizens who respectfully exercise their rights at campaign rallies.....". So, Janet Jackson inspires moral decay and criminal behaviour, but talk radio rhetoric does not?

So which is it Bill - do images and rhetoric affect people ... or not?




"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from."

-- E.L. Doctorow
New nice change of subject
Its quite possible that this entire event was caused by violent video games and janet jackson tits. How brilliant of you.
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
New Lame redirect, even for you
--

Drew
New Redirect? Me??? Laughable.
You might want to re-assess who is trying to redirect here, my response was just going with that flow.
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
New IOW, the thread is finally dead.
You're not interested in a real discussion. Thanks for making it clearer.

Perhaps these "both sides" threads can be put to bed now?

Cheers,
Scott.
New Who's not interested in real discussion?
Linc is in here now throwing anything over the fence to see if it sticks...and STILL trying to say its the rhetoric in the face of mounting evidence that this kid didn't pay any attention to it.

So now the direction turns to "its still bad and they do it more often with more popular people".

Pu-freakin-leaze.
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
New not until you admit neither side was responsible THIS time
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New Have fun then.
New thought so, too invested in pushing the agenda
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New Heh.
     US congresswoman from Arizona shot, 6 dead. - (Another Scott) - (56)
         Re: US congresswoman from Arizona shot, 6 dead. - (beepster) - (1)
             :-( Small world, and getting smaller. -NT - (Another Scott)
         Re: US congresswoman from Arizona shot, 6 dead. - (lincoln) - (51)
             should the folks on the left also tone down the violent - (boxley) - (43)
                 Only Sarah and Rush. No one else says anything like that. -NT - (beepster)
                 Some linkies that may be of interest. - (Another Scott) - (22)
                     Re: Some linkies that may be of interest. - (beepster) - (8)
                         Exactly the same. Of course. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                             Hand selected from one group - (beepster)
                         Re: Some linkies that may be of interest. - (beepster) - (5)
                             thats different and doesnt count :-) -NT - (boxley) - (4)
                                 Well, I'm sure it's okay, 'cause I bet he had one of these: - (jake123) - (3)
                                     pretty sure you could have these people make you one - (boxley) - (1)
                                         Pothead, yes. Leftist, not so much - (jake123)
                                     Re: Well, I'm sure it's okay, 'cause I bet he had one of the - (beepster)
                     Re: Some linkies that may be of interest. (more) - (beepster) - (10)
                         Re: Some linkies that may be of interest. (more) - (jake123) - (9)
                             Sshhhh..! digital-think is its own Reward -NT - (Ashton)
                             Correct, of course.. - (beepster)
                             th IRS bomb guy was a democrat -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                 But he's not so popular. -NT - (beepster)
                             of course all of your mad bombers were socialists - (boxley) - (4)
                                 That wasn't socialism - (jake123) - (3)
                                     sure it was, you betcha - (boxley) - (2)
                                         Anti-colonialism, and un Quebec francais - (jake123) - (1)
                                             Anti-colonialism, and un Quebec Francais Socialiste FIFY -NT - (boxley)
                     Who'd a thunk it... - (beepster) - (1)
                         naw their hands are whitehot from fapping all day over palin - (boxley)
                 Re: should the folks on the left also tone down the violent - (lincoln) - (18)
                     you have a dem in that list - (boxley) - (17)
                         Evidence, please. -NT - (Another Scott)
                         and it's RepubliCANTS and Fake News - (lincoln) - (15)
                             every day bush was in office -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                 I was alive and awake back then - (lincoln)
                             show me the evidence - (beepster) - (12)
                                 RE: show me the evidence - (lincoln) - (11)
                                     Excuse me, its your need to qualify your statement - (beepster) - (10)
                                         Re: Excuse me, its your need to qualify your statement - (lincoln) - (9)
                                             nice change of subject - (beepster) - (8)
                                                 Lame redirect, even for you -NT - (drook) - (7)
                                                     Redirect? Me??? Laughable. - (beepster) - (6)
                                                         IOW, the thread is finally dead. - (Another Scott) - (5)
                                                             Who's not interested in real discussion? - (beepster)
                                                             not until you admit neither side was responsible THIS time -NT - (boxley) - (3)
                                                                 Have fun then. -NT - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                                                     thought so, too invested in pushing the agenda -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                         Heh. -NT - (Another Scott)
             for a right wing nutjob he had some interested reading - (boxley) - (6)
                 Mein Kampf is far from leftist - (jake123) - (5)
                     most commies have read mein kampf and borrowed from it -NT - (boxley) - (4)
                         Be that as it may, it's still one of the canonical texts of - (jake123) - (3)
                             I'd also like to add - (jake123) - (2)
                                 nope its sports and rightwingers - (boxley) - (1)
                                     "because that's what the markets can sell" - (jake123)
         Mugshot's out - (jake123) - (1)
             haircut matches the voodoo setup in the backyard -NT - (boxley)

I'll even go so far as to concede that today's postliterate teenagers are already sufficiently impaired by pop culture that anything that serves to make them even more scatterbrained is rather in the way of gilding the lily, and should not be encouraged.
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