Post #337,523
12/21/10 8:18:04 PM
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Just checking ... Remember this?
http://iwt.mikevital....iwt?postid=39923
Access, secrecy and disclosure are all tools. They can be used offensively or defensively, by individuals or states.
States have many other tools at their disposal: police forces, courts, armies, PR organizations, guns, tanks. Corporations have most of these, though their armies are called "contractors". Individuals may have access to courts, PR and guns -- though in much smaller numbers, and calibers.
Governments have exceptional power compared to individuals. That's why (in the U.S.) the government has a much higher standard of proof in trials than defendants.
Whistleblowers are generally exercising a last resort against a system massively stacked against them. That's what Wikileaks is for. For a government to leak confidential information prejudicial to a defendant in an active case is reversing that. It's the powerful playing dirty tricks against an individual.
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Drew
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Post #337,533
12/21/10 11:44:09 PM
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+5, Informative.
It seems the media is forgetting this original purpose of WikiLeaks...
Wade.
Q:Is it proper to eat cheeseburgers with your fingers?
A:No, the fingers should be eaten separately.
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Post #337,534
12/22/10 3:47:05 AM
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They're not forgetting
They're ganging up on the competition. You're not supposed to really expose your patrons the government. Just relay what one side says about the other.
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Drew
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Post #337,536
12/22/10 7:10:40 AM
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Yes, does he?
because it certainly sounds like he's picking targets.
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
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Post #337,547
12/22/10 9:25:10 AM
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Of course he is
His targets are governments and large corporations that aren't vulnerable to the kinds of actions taken against individuals. That's the whole point, and I really think you know that.
Critics keep saying, "So you must think it would be okay if Assange released your credit card or medical information?" No, and that's not what he's releasing.
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Drew
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Post #337,551
12/22/10 10:12:03 AM
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Certainly sounds...
...like he is targeting an individual...that works at a big bank. Not the bank. Thats how his quote reads.
And quotes from his insiders have him as the "king"...not a benevolent leader of a team...
So, is he not becoming what he claims to be fighting against? Hence the irony?
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
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Post #337,552
12/22/10 11:00:39 AM
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Keep reaching
if you can't see the difference between yourself and the CEO of RillyBigUSBank, there's not much that can be done. There is a class war going on, but it's not the one you read about in the newspapers.
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Post #337,553
12/22/10 11:27:07 AM
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Still sounds like
hero worship to me.
He has targeted a single person who works at big bank (his own words)...NOT the big bank.
I'm certain he feels that by taking down the big guy he will "open the eyes of the world to the evils of big business"...and he will be doing so by hand picking over the information he has and releasing what he wants to various news organizations.
I fail to see any difference in what he is doing to what the swedish prosecution did by picking over the information that he had and releasing what he wanted to the various news organizations.
Sorry...just because one is "big government" and one is "little internet web guru" doesn't invalidate the exact duplication of methodology.
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
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Post #337,554
12/22/10 11:40:42 AM
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I don't think that's it at all.
I don't think he's out to "open the eyes of the world to the evils of big business", he's out to "open the eyes of the world to the evils of big business as it's currently practiced".
Because as it's currently practiced, it is evil. And are you sure you want to discuss the exact duplication of methodology? It is, after all, exactly the methodology practiced by the press the world over (or at least, the press in the West).
It seems the problem is not the fact of selective presentation of what happened, but what the selection actually is that's the problem for most of our elites.
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