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Post #331,834 by boxley 8/25/10 5:02:46 PM Reply	correct so unplug you cable modem and check your email. Let me know how it works out for you and if you still think broadband and information services can be de-linked like the so called commentators. thanx, bill
Post #331,835 by drook 8/25/10 5:22:38 PM Reply	I get my email from my web host, not my ISP Information services that are transmitted over the internet require that I have an internet connection. They don't require that I have a particular internet connection. Cox is arguing that they do. I know you work in email, and email represents a large portion of total internet traffic. (Less by the day, with the advent of streaming video.) But how much of that email is ISP email? In a totally unscientific survey, I've got over 8,400 names on my mailing lists. Gmail, Yahoo and Hotmail account for more than 4,900 of them. So your earlier "threat" to delete mail after three days? Would affect less than half my readers. If anyone actually tried it, a whole lot more people would decouple their email addresses from their ISPs. And once that lock-in is gone, what's to keep them from switching to a new provider? That's the only reason ISPs provide email any more. -- Drew
Post #331,839 by Another Scott 8/25/10 5:46:07 PM Reply	Ditto. We've never checked our e-mail on our Cox account.
Post #331,846 by boxley 8/25/10 8:24:50 PM Reply	whoosh, point=missed disconnect your cable modem, then try to get your google yahoo or aol mail. Still think they are decoupled? Hardly. Without a transport layer 1-3 you cant get layers 4-7 very successfully. You can get the first 3 layers from telcos cable companies wifimax as well as SAT mixed with a pots and 56k modem. Net neutrality means you cant get thru to 911 via your voip phone because the neighbor is downloading GBs of porn and the QOS for voip cant be used by law. Your loss.
Post #331,848 by drook 8/25/10 8:39:42 PM Reply	Is that what it means? Really? Cox is saying that their broadband and their email are a single product. Can't have just broadband, because they don't sell it that way. Do you agree with that position? Is it true that it's not possible to offer broadband service that doesn't do anything except connect to the internet at a given rate? And what about the other example? What if Time Warner decides to block all traffic from NetFlix. And Comcast decides to block everything from Hulu. (For "block" you can assume I mean, "slow it down so much the service is unusable".) Should that be allowed? Do you think market forces alone are sufficient to prevent it? (Hint: It's already happened.) If it is a problem, what should be done about it? As for 911 service, is it impossible that there could be an exception made? Or might it be time to recognize that a whole lot of people aren't using the POTS any more, and we should reexamine how 911 is accomplished, rather than just pass laws protecting the POTS? -- Drew
Post #331,849 by Another Scott 8/25/10 8:42:19 PM Reply	Specious argument. Without electricity your cable modem won't work, therefore the power company should have a say on traffic through the modem? It doesn't work that way. Net neutrality means that the pipe owners can't discriminate against those companies that don't pay for preferential treatment. http://www.startribu...iD3aPc:_Yyc:aUUsZ Cheers, Scott.
Post #331,851 by boxley 8/25/10 8:52:26 PM Reply	so downloading porn == telephone service. okay
Post #331,866 by folkert 8/25/10 10:22:17 PM Reply	QOS is NOT the issue here. QOS has been defined for a long time and it is understood and VOIP has to be guaranteed and honored if it Sets the QOS flag. TOR, Bit-torrent and other things don't set the QOS flag. You are comparing service flags vs content. Not entirely correct at all.
Post #331,875 by boxley 8/25/10 10:59:36 PM Reply	bullshit greg, you know better content is just thst. Everyone else is claiming all services are equal, that is their argument. If it isnt then you have government dictating what service is worth a higher QOS instead of the network operators. You sure that is where you want to go? Think pinkon and moveorg are declared protected content as opposed to webmd and mikevitale.com. Thats what they envision for the airwaves why wouldnt they extend it to the net. By the way wikileaks would be relagated to a maybe status Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep

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