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Post #331,450 by drook 8/17/10 11:55:00 AM Reply	How so? I know PHP lets you get away with a lot of sloppiness, but what do you mean about the worst of each paradigm? -- Drew
Post #331,452 by jake123 8/17/10 12:36:46 PM Reply	Well, indirectly quoting an old prof of mine though he was talking about java... takes interpreted and compiled approaches and combines the worst features of both: slow running code and a slow dev cycle. The big thing with php is that it makes maintaining a program you've never seen before really hard, because you have to spend a lot of time asking yourself "is this imperative? OO? What the fuck was that guy doing there?"
Post #331,455 by boxley 8/17/10 1:10:15 PM Reply	no, disagree the only part you need to think about is "What the fuck was that guy doing there?" mod it, run it, clean it up
Post #331,458 by drook 8/17/10 1:43:06 PM Reply	Hmm, not sure Slow running is mostly a non-issue for me, since I finally got WP SuperCache working right. Whenever I post a new article, or someone comments, the relevant pages are regenerated. Everyone after that gets served a static, compressed page. As for development time, first versions are fast as hell, with incredibly low overhead compared to Java. (Yes, you can write lightweight Java without a framework, but I've never seen anyone do it.) I completely agree that maintenance is important enough to disqualify a language or technique if it makes it hard to maintain. But if it's written well, you don't have to question what it's doing. The corollary is that if you have to question what it's doing, the first version wasn't written well and needs to be refactored. -- Drew
Post #331,459 by jake123 8/17/10 2:26:39 PM Reply	Re: maintenance mode Yeah... tell me something I don't know ; The guy who wrote a lot of this stuff was on drugs or something.
Post #331,462 by drook 8/17/10 2:49:19 PM Reply	Don't think you can plame PHP for that :-) -- Drew

So I'm preparing my laptop for the roadtrip - (lincoln) - (83) - Aug. 14, 2010, 10:43:43 AM EDT

throw linux on it if you just need - (boxley) - (82) - Aug. 14, 2010, 11:39:02 AM EDT

He won't... - (folkert) - (80) - Aug. 14, 2010, 11:47:54 AM EDT

Recommend application development software on Linux - (lincoln) - (79) - Aug. 14, 2010, 02:35:06 PM EDT

Looking from the wrong direction - (drook) - Aug. 14, 2010, 02:57:15 PM EDT

Java. - (malraux) - (9) - Aug. 14, 2010, 03:55:57 PM EDT

Java looks like something worth considering seriously... - (Another Scott) - Aug. 14, 2010, 10:54:57 PM EDT

Thread-jack. - (static) - (3) - Aug. 15, 2010, 03:34:38 AM EDT

java is the new basic - (boxley) - Aug. 15, 2010, 09:48:05 AM EDT

Java's worth as a language: - (malraux) - (1) - Aug. 15, 2010, 11:55:59 AM EDT

That's a good point. - (static) - Aug. 15, 2010, 05:06:08 PM EDT

FINALLY - SOMEONE HERE OFFERS A GOOD SUGGESTION! - (lincoln) - (3) - Aug. 16, 2010, 10:19:14 PM EDT

That suggestion was made back then. - (folkert) - (2) - Aug. 16, 2010, 10:26:28 PM EDT

WRONGO! - (lincoln) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2010, 10:06:58 PM EDT

Google "site:iwt.mikevitale.com C#" works. -NT - (Another Scott) - Aug. 19, 2010, 10:20:09 PM EDT

jboss spring tomcat - (boxley) - Aug. 14, 2010, 10:35:59 PM EDT

oh yeah - (boxley) - Aug. 14, 2010, 10:37:56 PM EDT

On the other hand - (pwhysall) - Aug. 15, 2010, 04:35:33 AM EDT

I said everything I needed to say now and back then. - (folkert) - (64) - Aug. 15, 2010, 11:36:32 AM EDT

You never helped in the first place - (lincoln) - (63) - Aug. 16, 2010, 10:49:56 PM EDT

Poor form, lincoln. - (Another Scott) - (44) - Aug. 16, 2010, 11:11:17 PM EDT

Re: Poor form, lincoln. - (lincoln) - (43) - Aug. 19, 2010, 10:11:10 PM EDT

"... and teach himself other stuff." -NT - (Another Scott) - Aug. 19, 2010, 10:18:37 PM EDT

I see you are a victim... - (folkert) - (41) - Aug. 20, 2010, 05:56:19 AM EDT

Go talk to your developers - (lincoln) - (40) - Aug. 21, 2010, 04:09:55 PM EDT

Developers for the company I work for... - (folkert) - (3) - Aug. 22, 2010, 12:09:49 PM EDT

well, I think Hell has frozen over. - (lincoln) - (2) - Aug. 24, 2010, 08:25:36 PM EDT

That wasn't your question to me though. - (folkert) - Aug. 24, 2010, 08:54:01 PM EDT

Re: well, I think Hell has frozen over. - (folkert) - Aug. 25, 2010, 08:06:37 AM EDT

Did you honestly think... - (beepster) - (35) - Aug. 21, 2010, 09:56:30 PM EDT

Hey, whattaya mean "web company" - (crazy) - (34) - Aug. 22, 2010, 03:59:32 AM EDT

Re: Hey, whattaya mean "web company" - (malraux) - (33) - Aug. 22, 2010, 11:49:25 AM EDT

Re: Attitude... - (folkert) - (26) - Aug. 22, 2010, 11:54:18 AM EDT

Re: Attitude... - (SpiceWare) - (25) - Aug. 22, 2010, 12:40:05 PM EDT

OUCH. - (folkert) - (2) - Aug. 22, 2010, 03:10:42 PM EDT

Re: OUCH. - (lincoln) - (1) - Aug. 24, 2010, 08:33:54 PM EDT

Victim with a grudge. - (folkert) - Aug. 24, 2010, 09:04:50 PM EDT

your former employer's HR dept. called me in June - (lincoln) - (21) - Aug. 25, 2010, 09:15:46 PM EDT

Was that more or less than you're getting now? - (pwhysall) - (20) - Aug. 26, 2010, 04:12:35 AM EDT

and is first offer ever final? - (beepster) - (19) - Aug. 26, 2010, 09:55:04 AM EDT

There is no way - (lincoln) - (18) - Aug. 26, 2010, 09:40:18 PM EDT

you going to college? - (boxley) - (2) - Aug. 27, 2010, 11:03:49 AM EDT

she does have a job - (lincoln) - (1) - Sept. 2, 2010, 08:40:43 PM EDT

that works -NT - (boxley) - Sept. 3, 2010, 10:45:48 AM EDT

You need to re-evaluate. - (beepster) - (11) - Aug. 27, 2010, 12:31:54 PM EDT

Not only that. - (Another Scott) - (2) - Aug. 27, 2010, 12:42:21 PM EDT

More good advice that will... - (folkert) - (1) - Aug. 27, 2010, 02:48:07 PM EDT

Re: More good advice that will... - (lincoln) - Sept. 2, 2010, 08:48:18 PM EDT

Already have - (lincoln) - (7) - Sept. 2, 2010, 08:46:51 PM EDT

Advice. - (folkert) - Sept. 2, 2010, 09:31:31 PM EDT

work is work, good luck -NT - (boxley) - Sept. 3, 2010, 10:47:53 AM EDT

Good luck, Brian -NT - (malraux) - Sept. 3, 2010, 11:11:28 AM EDT

Good luck, Brian -NT - (malraux) - Sept. 3, 2010, 11:11:28 AM EDT

Best of luck. - (hnick) - Sept. 3, 2010, 12:03:43 PM EDT

Good deal! - (beepster) - Sept. 3, 2010, 01:00:09 PM EDT

Excellent news. Good luck! -NT - (Another Scott) - Sept. 4, 2010, 03:09:20 PM EDT

I don't get it. - (pwhysall) - (2) - Aug. 29, 2010, 04:40:50 AM EDT

Post #35342 -NT - (lincoln) - (1) - Sept. 2, 2010, 08:49:34 PM EDT

Best of luck with it! -NT - (pwhysall) - Sept. 3, 2010, 12:52:48 AM EDT

Do you really think - (lincoln) - (5) - Aug. 24, 2010, 08:31:02 PM EDT

Attitude flows through. - (malraux) - Aug. 24, 2010, 08:43:00 PM EDT

Let's assume you aren't - (crazy) - (3) - Aug. 25, 2010, 06:53:15 AM EDT

^------- This. -NT - (malraux) - Aug. 25, 2010, 07:15:45 AM EDT

shoot me an email with the specifics - (lincoln) - (1) - Aug. 25, 2010, 09:13:14 PM EDT

Its doesn;t matter your opinion or view of the subject. - (folkert) - Aug. 25, 2010, 10:26:24 PM EDT

It'll work fine - (drook) - (1) - Aug. 17, 2010, 05:50:25 AM EDT

and if you want to be a bit more spritely - (beepster) - Aug. 17, 2010, 11:27:16 AM EDT

512? Not a problem. - (static) - Aug. 17, 2010, 06:29:57 AM EDT

my developers reside within shouting distance - (boxley) - (13) - Aug. 17, 2010, 09:08:14 AM EDT

Well, that's not a big shock - (jake123) - (12) - Aug. 17, 2010, 11:43:30 AM EDT

How so? - (drook) - (5) - Aug. 17, 2010, 11:55:00 AM EDT

Well, indirectly quoting an old prof of mine - (jake123) - (4) - Aug. 17, 2010, 12:36:46 PM EDT

no, disagree - (boxley) - Aug. 17, 2010, 01:10:15 PM EDT

Hmm, not sure - (drook) - (2) - Aug. 17, 2010, 01:43:06 PM EDT

Re: maintenance mode - (jake123) - (1) - Aug. 17, 2010, 02:26:39 PM EDT

Don't think you can plame PHP for that :-) -NT - (drook) - Aug. 17, 2010, 02:49:19 PM EDT

That's a rather negative viewpoint. - (static) - (5) - Aug. 17, 2010, 04:58:18 PM EDT

s/PHP/any programming language -NT - (drook) - (4) - Aug. 17, 2010, 06:08:10 PM EDT

Well, yes. - (static) - (3) - Aug. 17, 2010, 07:01:13 PM EDT

There's a line I remember from back before PHP won* - (drook) - (2) - Aug. 17, 2010, 09:21:40 PM EDT

Indeed. - (static) - (1) - Aug. 17, 2010, 10:43:24 PM EDT

And you can be in and out of a framework at the same time - (drook) - Aug. 18, 2010, 12:36:02 AM EDT

My sofasurfer has 512MB... - (pwhysall) - Aug. 17, 2010, 02:49:55 PM EDT

That's probably the best advice. - (Another Scott) - Aug. 14, 2010, 11:52:34 AM EDT

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