Well, that's not a big shock

Post #331,448 by jake123 8/17/10 11:43:30 AM Reply	Well, that's not a big shock php takes object oriented, functional, and imperative paradigms and combines the worst of all three worlds.
Post #331,450 by drook 8/17/10 11:55:00 AM Reply	How so? I know PHP lets you get away with a lot of sloppiness, but what do you mean about the worst of each paradigm? -- Drew
Post #331,452 by jake123 8/17/10 12:36:46 PM Reply	Well, indirectly quoting an old prof of mine though he was talking about java... takes interpreted and compiled approaches and combines the worst features of both: slow running code and a slow dev cycle. The big thing with php is that it makes maintaining a program you've never seen before really hard, because you have to spend a lot of time asking yourself "is this imperative? OO? What the fuck was that guy doing there?"
Post #331,455 by boxley 8/17/10 1:10:15 PM Reply	no, disagree the only part you need to think about is "What the fuck was that guy doing there?" mod it, run it, clean it up
Post #331,458 by drook 8/17/10 1:43:06 PM Reply	Hmm, not sure Slow running is mostly a non-issue for me, since I finally got WP SuperCache working right. Whenever I post a new article, or someone comments, the relevant pages are regenerated. Everyone after that gets served a static, compressed page. As for development time, first versions are fast as hell, with incredibly low overhead compared to Java. (Yes, you can write lightweight Java without a framework, but I've never seen anyone do it.) I completely agree that maintenance is important enough to disqualify a language or technique if it makes it hard to maintain. But if it's written well, you don't have to question what it's doing. The corollary is that if you have to question what it's doing, the first version wasn't written well and needs to be refactored. -- Drew
Post #331,459 by jake123 8/17/10 2:26:39 PM Reply	Re: maintenance mode Yeah... tell me something I don't know ; The guy who wrote a lot of this stuff was on drugs or something.
Post #331,462 by drook 8/17/10 2:49:19 PM Reply	Don't think you can plame PHP for that :-) -- Drew
Post #331,468 by static 8/17/10 4:58:18 PM Reply	That's a rather negative viewpoint. Most things people perceive to be problems about PHP aren't, in practice, problems to those busy using it. :-) The biggest problem with PHP is that too many medoicre (or just plain bad) programmers are using it. Wade. Q:Is it proper to eat cheeseburgers with your fingers? A:No, the fingers should be eaten separately.
Post #331,472 by drook 8/17/10 6:08:10 PM Reply	s/PHP/any programming language -- Drew
Post #331,475 by static 8/17/10 7:01:13 PM Reply	Well, yes. It's just that for some it's more of a problem. Plus the fact that PHP gets picked on. Wade. Q:Is it proper to eat cheeseburgers with your fingers? A:No, the fingers should be eaten separately.
Post #331,480 by drook 8/17/10 9:21:40 PM Reply	There's a line I remember from back before PHP won* The biggest problem with PHP is it's easy enough for any old idiot to use it. The really brainless ones can't even do a "Hello World" in c. * And yes, it won. WordPress and Facebook. -- Drew
Post #331,482 by static 8/17/10 10:43:24 PM Reply	Indeed. http://stackoverflow...ble/316061#316061 Basically, one of the greatest advantages of PHP is that it doesn't force you into a framework. Unfortunately, one of the greatest disadvantages of PHP is that it doesn't force you into a framework. :-/ Wade. Q:Is it proper to eat cheeseburgers with your fingers? A:No, the fingers should be eaten separately.
Post #331,484 by drook 8/18/10 12:36:02 AM Reply	And you can be in and out of a framework at the same time WordPress is one gigantic framework. If you want to write something small and self-contained within it, you still can. You probably shouldn't, but it's possible. -- Drew

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