Laura Schlessinger throws out the "n-word"

Post #331,272 by lincoln 8/13/10 3:22:49 PM Reply	Laura Schlessinger throws out the "n-word" 11 times, so it seems, on her show Tuesday; http://www.huffingto...rad_n_680680.html "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow
Post #331,278 by boxley 8/13/10 8:14:36 PM Reply	Re: Laura Schlessinger throws out the "n-word" who cares about that old democratic hag
Post #331,297 by lincoln 8/14/10 10:27:46 AM Reply	"deomcratic hag"? Are you freaking kidding me? "democratic hags" DO NOT get gobs of face time on Faux Network shows, let alone get to guest host ones like Hannity. She's a right wingnut tool through and through. "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow
Post #331,306 by boxley 8/14/10 11:33:34 AM Reply	sure, she is a typical democrat has been all her life.
Post #331,309 by Another Scott 8/14/10 11:44:01 AM Reply	Eh? "Typical"? "Democrat"? http://en.wikipedia....Laura_Schlesinger HTH. Cheers, Scott.
Post #331,311 by boxley 8/14/10 11:48:38 AM Reply	nothing on wikipedia about her politics she freakin whines about everything instead of blaming the obvious typical democrat :-)
Post #331,314 by Another Scott 8/14/10 11:55:53 AM Reply	Box on the right. Born Laura Catherine Schlessinger January 16, 1947 (1947-01-16) (age 63) Brooklyn, New York, U.S. Residence Southern California Other names Dr. Laura Ethnicity Italian, Jewish Citizenship United States Education Physiologist Alma mater Stony Brook University, B.S. Columbia University, Ph.D Occupation Radio advice show host, self-help author Years active 15 years in national syndication[1] Known for Socially conservative commentary Political party Republican[2] Religion Jewish Spouse(s) Michael F. Rudolph, (m. 1972, div. 1976)[3] Lewis G. Bishop (m. 1985) [...] HTH. Cheers, Scott.
Post #331,373 by crazy 8/16/10 6:04:56 AM Reply	So what? Of course, you missed it, but even if that was true, so what? All of a sudden your primary sources of bullshit "information" can't be coerced into saying what you want, so instead, you look to a known non-authoritative source that CANNOT be trusted for political issues (by definition, wikipedia can't be used as a sole source of info, especially political), and then whine that if you don't notice a phrase that matches your political leanings, then she must be a democrat. Box, that was just plain stupid. She's an evil hard core right wing bitch. You simply do not read for understanding, you "read" to find stuff you want to see. Go back and reread, and maybe this time think about her before you post. On the other hand, using that logic, I can say you are obviously a democratic whiner. I can't find a wikipedia entry that says otherwise, therefor I must be correct.
Post #331,412 by boxley 8/16/10 9:53:24 PM Reply	you might want to check who brought wikipedia in teh thread
Post #331,437 by crazy 8/17/10 9:09:19 AM Reply	Don't care You actually stated nothing on her politics is in there. As if she is anything else?
Post #331,442 by beepster 8/17/10 11:21:33 AM Reply	Nit, she's a radio announcer. not a politician. Seems alot of folks have confused that distinction. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #331,453 by crazy 8/17/10 12:52:06 PM Reply	Hmmm No, she's an evil bitch from way back. On the other hand, I grant that title to Rush. He found a bandwagon and took off.
Post #331,473 by beepster 8/17/10 6:35:46 PM Reply	Maybe just confusion from your prior post then... You actually stated nothing on her politics is in there. As if she is anything else? That reads as if she is nothing but her politics. She's been all about radio and syndication since the 70s. She's Howard Stern with a different shtick. That doesn't preclude you from not liking her politics, advice, et al. I'm not very fond of her either. But then again, I don't like Stearn either. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #331,291 by Another Scott 8/14/10 8:15:27 AM Reply	Digby's take. http://digbysblog.bl...ssive-racism.html [...] As the conversation continues, it's clear that Schlessinger is carrying quite a bit of anger about how "the blacks" continue to believe racism exists even though we have a black president. Evidently, that was supposed to have been the end of all that unpleasantness, particularly since blacks allegedly voted for him simply because of his race, thus proving their own racism. (The fact that they voted nearly unanimously for John Kerry, Al Gore and Bill Clinton as well would seem to indicate an ideological rather than a racial bias, but I've heard so many white people point this out that it's clear that quite a few see African American support for Obama as proof of black racism.)Dr Laura finds their lack of gratitude for being allowed to exercise their racism this way deeply offensive and is appalled that she is still having to answer for white prejudice --- even though nobody asked her to. The immediate defensiveness, before the women even got out her complaint, is the main hallmark of this attitude. I saw Andrew Breitbart in person explode into an angry, spittle flecked tirade at the mild suggestion that racism is playing a part in current discourse. (He really went crazy, interrupting and screaming "racist, racist, racist" at the top of his lungs over and over again.) This obviously hits a very raw nerve with some people and they get extremely upset at the person who brings it up. I'm no psychologist like Dr Laura, but I would guess that zero to 60 reaction doesn't come out of nowhere. After all, this woman wasn't calling Dr Laura a racist. Indeed, she was asking for her advice, thinking she would be sympathetic. But Dr Laura immediately gets agitated and brings herself into it, relating that she has a close black associate who doesn't mind when she makes jokes about white people not being athletic.(???) She clearly related to this caller's unnamed neighbor and chose to state her solidarity with him. The rest of the conversation just got worse, as I noted, with both sides getting angry and Dr Laura ending up saying that the woman shouldn't have married outside her race. (Evidently one should expect to be treated as a visitor from a foreign planet if they do.) This is a perfect example of modern racism of the "what do you have to do, kill Medgar Evers?" variety. No, this neighbor isn't being overtly racist, he's being passive aggressively racist, which is all the more annoying since it's impossible to confront, like all passive aggression. Indeed, it's laid on to the receiver --- "you're being hypersensitive." And it's clear that the perpetrator knows exactly what he or she is doing since when confronted they always behave with furious defensiveness. When it escalates, the real hostility comes right to the surface as it did with Schlessinger yesterday. [...] I think a lot of sexism works this way, too. Too many people refuse, or don't even try, to put themselves in another person's shoes. They don't consider how they would feel if they, or their daughter, were asked those questions or treated that way. It's a lack of empathy for "the other", but almost always based on culture, race, or gender. I'm not sure what can be done about it, but it continues to be a big problem in too many cases. Cheers, Scott.
Post #331,372 by crazy 8/16/10 5:53:43 AM Reply	My problem is with the individual exceptions. My GF has a niece she is very close with. The niece married a black guy. Think about it. Inner city white catholic irish philly girl married a a stereotypical black dude who was raised on streets of Camden, and came from Jamaica as a small child. The jamaican connections are still strong. Her father may have spoken to her 3 or 4 times in that last 10 years. Her father not amused. Her husband is the strongest person I've ever met. Sometimes I feel like Howard Cosell when I see him work, amazed at the strength in his compact body. Yeah, really. Skip? Box? Not weak, but simply not in this guy's class. I've seen him lift and carry a refrigerator (alone) that took 3 people to move. He moved my 400lb 65" projection screen TV down the steps and into a truck. He a had a bit of help, but did the real work. He was really smart. And really nice. They met at college. Neither finished. And then went through hell. He's always thinking of businesses. And the businesses always fail. Most are black centric, ie: a certain type of hat that mostly only black people wear. Before they fail, he tried to get people to invest.Friends, family, etc. I really don't think he's scamming, he's a true believer, and he works HARD. On the other hand, there were an awful lot of "Million Man March" button that never got sold. Multiple large garbage cans full. About 10 years ago he went to U of Penn Wharton business school. Not full degree, but he had a boss that wanted him educated, so that's where they sent him. He did well. He can write a business plan and work out the issues. He can present to a board of directors. You talk to him on the phone, you get a different person than the guy who walks into your office, so he can play the game, and does. He juggles a couple of entrepreneurial jobs (run the parking lot at a restaurant, keep a percentage) or organize a bunch of people selling water on hot days, get the cases of water, travel around town in a van with people and water, etc. He works almost every day in a storefront book store that he rents. His books have a lot of scary anti-black conspiracy stories. He believes a lot of the propaganda in the books he sells. Of course, he's almost smart enough to always phrase his "facts" as questions, so as not to be obviously anti-white. While he does work hard, his wife works harder. They have 5 kids. He's never home, and when he was, he didn't do anything with the kids other than play with them. While he works hard, he pisses through the money, and the rent doesn't get paid. And he blames the wife for stealing his money. You know, to buy pampers and milk and stuff like that. And he doesn't tell her until after they've been locked out, so they lose everything. Again and again. He doesn't like the thought of her going to school. She only needs a couple of classes before becoming as nurse, and dropped out when they got together. If she's educated, she doesn't depend on him, and he can't control her. About 7 years ago he took a steel pipe to the head at a construction site. No payout on any lawsuit, at least not yet. He spent time in the hospital, got out. A different person. No therapy. He lost patience. He lost some short term memory. He got aggressive. He got paranoid. I never knew him before the pipe, I only get occasional hints of how he used to be. He loses things. Goes through a cell phone every couple of weeks. Parks the van where it's not supposed to be, gets towed, and then can't afford to get it back. He's lost multiple vehicles this way. The niece had incredible potential. She has "regal bearing". My step-mother pointed it out when she was about 14. And now she's an almost worst case scenario of a life fucked up. They are split up now, for about a month. He blames it on racism. It's all her family's fault for never accepting him. It's all my GF's fault for not supporting him enough (they lived with her, rent free, for years). Of course, once he hooked up with the niece, most of his family essentially disowned him. Can't get too close to those evil white people.
Post #331,379 by Another Scott 8/16/10 7:51:04 AM Reply	Different details, but that could be a story from my family The economics and personal relations weren't a black/white thing in my mom's case with her former 2nd husband. But the story is similar in many respects. Some people get in bad relationships and can't extricate themselves until it's far too late. :-( Humans generalize - it's how our brains are wired to understand the world. It's a hard thing to combat, but when it gets in the way of seeing individuals as individuals (as opposed to a different race or different gender or different culture) it's a pernicious thing. Especially in a work context. Cheers, Scott.
Post #331,439 by crazy 8/17/10 9:14:13 AM Reply	He lost another one yesterday! Claims he left it for repair, left it too long. Claims repair guy (a buddy) left it on the street and it got stolen. Does not want wife to talk to buddy. Possible cause: He sold it without telling her. Possible history: He's done it before.
Post #331,384 by drook 8/16/10 9:31:44 AM Reply	Persecution complex is self-reinforcing "I'm persecuted because I'm black. I'll put my life savings into Million Man March buttons. Here, won't you buy one?" No, thanks. "See?! You don't support equality. It's your fault I'm broke!" Works just as easily for southern crackers with swastika tattoos on their necks, complaining that the Jewish bank manager wouldn't hire them as a teller. -- Drew
Post #331,390 by beepster 8/16/10 11:51:30 AM Reply	My Take It started out as an observation about a behavior that many people share. And she frames it correctly. Its the commentary afterwards (race marriage and the whole President thing) that are her tell. No, I'm not forgiving her. If Imus can lose his spot, she could certainly lose hers. I would have no issue with that. However... I, too, find the double standard on the use of the N word troubling and believe that blacks should not be using it as a "term of endearment" as it were. If its offensive, it is offensive. Period. If its not, and "brothers" can call each other that with impunity..then its not offensive and folks need to get over it. Me personally, I find it offensive. I can't watch Chris Rock, as an example. It bothers me. It bothers me that his use of race gets laughs...as much as it bothers me that Michael Richards thought it would be ok to use the same words to diffuse a heckler. The only difference between the 2 is skin color...and the fact that its treated differently is, to me, racist. Both directions. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #331,395 by hnick 8/16/10 1:37:14 PM Reply	I think Lenny Bruce had it right * Are there any niggers here tonight? Could you turn on the house lights, please, and could the waiters and waitresses just stop serving, just for a second? And turn off this spot. Now what did he say? "Are there any niggers here tonight?" I know there's one nigger, because I see him back there working. Let's see, there's two niggers. And between those two niggers sits a kyke. And there's another kykeÂ that's two kykes and three niggers. And there's a spic. Right? Hmm? There's another spic. Ooh, there's a wop; there's a polack; and, oh, a couple of greaseballs. And there's three lace-curtain Irish micks. And there's one, hip, thick, hunky, funky, boogie. Boogie boogie. Mm-hmm. I got three kykes here, do I hear five kykes? I got five kykes, do I hear six spics, I got six spics, do I hear seven niggers? I got seven niggers. Sold American. I pass with seven niggers, six spics, five micks, four kykes, three guineas, and one wop. Well, I was just trying to make a point, and that is that it's the suppression of the word that gives it the power, the violence, the viciousness. Dig: if President Kennedy would just go on television, and say, "I would like to introduce you to all the niggers in my cabinet," and if he'd just say "nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger" to every nigger he saw, "boogie boogie boogie boogie boogie," "nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger" 'til nigger didn't mean anything anymore, then you could never make some six-year-old black kid cry because somebody called him a nigger at school. - From Julian Barry's screenplay for "Lenny" can be seen/heard in Lenny Bruce: Swear to tell the truth 1998 [7] from http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Lenny_Bruce When I was a kid growing up in the South, I heard that so much I became desensitized. It just meant somebody was an asshole with a poor vocabulary.
Post #331,396 by beepster 8/16/10 1:48:53 PM Reply	I grew up south too.. but never was very forgiving. I agree with his sentiment...the taboo around the word is what gives it such power. But as we are getting thinner skinned and not the opposite...safer to just keep those words/thoughts to yourself. Its almost impossible to determine what will, in the end, be deemed offensive by someone else. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #331,399 by hnick 8/16/10 2:58:27 PM Reply	Forgiving? I wasn't either. Still don't much. That's also a big part of my problem with Oxley. He aspires to being a "Good Old Boy". Those shits made my early life hell. I was shot, cut (didn't get the point in, so it wasn't really stabbed), and beaten up by the big brothers (GOB wannabes) of my peers if they didn't win, and a large number of lesser indignities. I gave up hate some decades ago, disgust is forever...
Post #331,414 by boxley 8/16/10 10:00:16 PM Reply	aspire? hardly I am my own brand thankuvery much you were picked on by southern grown dullards because you were different. Me I have been picked on by the very best a few of the worst and a boatload of in between to the point a long time ago I stopped giving a flying fuck about what people thought of me and dont backup worth a fuck. Sorry if I pee in yer grits...
Post #331,422 by Another Scott 8/16/10 10:23:44 PM 8/16/10 10:42:20 PM Reply	It's not complicated, IMHO. But as we are getting thinner skinned and not the opposite...safer to just keep those words/thoughts to yourself. Its almost impossible to determine what will, in the end, be deemed offensive by someone else. It's not complicated, IMHO. The N word has lots of power, as you both note. It's almost always directed at certain groups of people. When members of that group use the word, they're temporary taking the power to hurt and insult away. When someone who isn't a member of that group uses that word, they're not taking away its power. They're using its power, even if they don't intend to. That's why her use of the word wasn't appropriate; that's why Michael Richard's outburst wasn't appropriate. If Lenny Bruce's routine had stopped with the N word, it would have been inappropriate and not social commentary. It works because he includes many, many groups and says, basically, we're all in the same boat. Similarly, if an older brother calls you a nasty name in jest, that's one thing; if someone on the street uses that same name for you, that's something else. Context matters. [edit:] A couple of TNC columns related to these issues: http://www.theatlant...ing-spades/16920/ http://www.theatlant...for-racists/5989/ Cheers, Scott. Edited by Another Scott Aug. 16, 2010, 10:42:20 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #331,428 by beepster 8/16/10 11:47:55 PM Reply	Sure it is.. ..because it means that someone has to translate thought and intent prior to reacting. It creates a double standard. Context matters..but it also creates an easy path to misunderstanding. And does the "power" of the word make "cracker" a less offensive or less racist word? It shouldn't. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #331,434 by Another Scott 8/17/10 8:08:00 AM Reply	A point, but not a strong one. "Cracker" or "whitey" or "honkey" do not have anywhere near the power of the N word. Sure, they're insults, but just a little above "buckethead" to my ears (and yes, I did hear those terms as insults growing up part of the time in Georgia). http://en.wikipedia..../Atlanta_Crackers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honkey I'm all for civility, but maintain that it's not complicated to learn what words should be avoided, and reject the "PC/double standard" label for this topic. YMMV. My $0.02. Cheers, Scott.
Post #331,441 by beepster 8/17/10 11:20:11 AM Reply	Not to debate, more for thought as to >why< you associate more power to the word, when in many instances, its said with the same malice, simply in different directions. Why is one intent worse than the other? Thats my $0.02, YMMV ;-) Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #331,443 by Another Scott 8/17/10 11:24:33 AM Reply	It's a power thing.
Post #331,447 by beepster 8/17/10 11:41:24 AM Reply	Thats what I don't get the argument that racism is less racist depending on who it is. I get the historical aspects..and the economic aspects...but when it gets to the bare metal, hate is hate. I don't agree with the "power" thing. Thats a different aspect. that doesn't address the base hate. it actually, imo, rationalizes it for some. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #331,449 by jake123 8/17/10 11:52:19 AM Reply	Power matters It especially matters if you're the one that doesn't have it.
Post #331,454 by crazy 8/17/10 12:56:37 PM Reply	People with power rarely do It goes against your survival instinct to accept certain things. Giving away power is the ultimate in stupidity. At least from a single organism evolutionary viewpoint. So you don't. You may or may not get it, and then decide you like it, and any downside to having it isn't so bad. Or you may be dumb (or nice), and act on impulse, and decide because of it you'll give some power away, occasionally.
Post #331,474 by beepster 8/17/10 6:54:31 PM Reply	You are both missing my point entirely. I understand your argument. Being dismissive of my talking point because "I have the power and they don't" is disingenuous. My point is the core stereotypical assumption that race is a characteristic that denotes a difference and that using that basis to direct general hatred is racist behavior. It has nothing to do with having power and everything to do with individual/group behavior. If a guy in the deep south is working for a black man and calls him the N word, by your definition that is NOT racist. (he doesn't have the power in that relationship). By my definition, it is. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #331,479 by Another Scott 8/17/10 8:48:05 PM Reply	Your point doesn't make much sense. To me, anyway. And you seem to be changing the topic. My point is the core stereotypical assumption that race is a characteristic that denotes a difference and that using that basis to direct general hatred is racist behavior. It has nothing to do with having power and everything to do with individual/group behavior. If a guy in the deep south is working for a black man and calls him the N word, by your definition that is NOT racist. (he doesn't have the power in that relationship). By my definition, it is. That isn't what I thought you were saying. (Your second paragraph certainly doesn't argue against the point I was trying to make.) I thought you were criticizing some members of some groups being called on using the N word while others weren't. I'll try again to make myself clear before bowing out. As TNC said above, racism is all about power of one group over another. Power that can hold down a minority (as in the antebellum South) or a majority (as in pre-Mandela South Africa). It's not about personal power. A 100 pound 12 year old girl calling a 250 pound black man the N word in Atlanta in 1960 would certainly be engaged in racist behavior even though she would have no physical power over him. Her society certainly had power over him, though, so he would have felt the sting... When derogatory terms from that time, that were used when people were murdered by mobs, are resurrected as an insult, all of that history is dragged up again with that word. It's not about individual power, or lack thereof. There are cases that one could cite about the use of the N word by a white person that is arguably not racist. E.g. the Elvis Costello song "Oliver's Army". One could also look to the past and see the word used in what might be considered a non-racist way - e.g. someone who knows of no other term for a black person. Or, to illustrate a deeper point, as say, Jim in Tom Sawyer. Dr. Laura and Michael Richards weren't cases like those. You seem to argue that one should ignore the history of the word, when that history is the elephant in the room when it's trotted out. Or just say it's too complicated so nobody should use it any more. I maintain it's not complicated - context matters. Another take on this topic is by Randall Kennedy, who wrote a book on it. An interview with him is here - http://www.theatlant...int2002-01-17.htm (scroll down). He's got a complicated view of the word, and arguing for consideration of context, but I'm not sure I agree with him in all aspects... Now maybe I'm misreading you and we're actually in agreement. Wouldn't be the first time; you can have the last word. FWIW. Cheers, Scott.
Post #331,488 by boxley 8/18/10 8:02:00 AM Reply	I think they are as well when a liberal democrat comedian loses it and starts screaming nigger nigger nigger, White people get upset, they expect that behavior from southern crackers. An american person with african ancestors isnt upset because he knows those whitebread democratic liberals are as willing as the KKK boys to hold him down. He doesnt expect anything different. When Byrd made a comment about white niggers the black community didnt quibble because they new exactly what he meant, nigger is an attitude not a color. White liberals get extremely upset because they are all secretly thinking exactly like the white comedian.
Post #331,565 by lincoln 8/19/10 9:55:35 PM Reply	Re: Sure it is.. Laura Schlessinger aka Dr. Laura came under attack recently when she repeatedly used the "N-word" in her response to a question posed on her radio show by a caller. The caller was a Black Woman, married to a White man, who felt offended by what she perceived as disrespectful language by her husband's friends and his willingness to allow the language in her presence. Essentially, Dr. Laura told her to "get over it" and develop a sense of humor about it. This sparked a national outrage. Everyone is missing the point here. The caller's question essentially boiled down to this: "My husband allows his friends to say and do things in our home that I find personally disrespectful." Nothing beyond that is even pertinent. But instead of answering a relatively benign relationship question with a reasonable answer (i.e., talk to him about how you feel or leave the marriage or whatever), "Dr." Laura seized the opportunity to make some weak point about the use of the "N-word" that really didn't fit the context. http://open.salon.co...tsnow_thats_funny "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow
Post #331,613 by beepster 8/21/10 1:01:49 AM Reply	and? not defending her Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #331,618 by crazy 8/21/10 1:50:52 PM Reply	Nope Just egging on anyone who may think you might. Hey, give the guy a break. Maybe his blood pressure medicine is expensive. You're costing him money.
Post #331,621 by beepster 8/21/10 3:33:20 PM Reply	Just wondering what the context was. That is all. Already agreed that she was out of line and worthy of the Imus treatment. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #331,526 by Another Scott 8/19/10 12:34:35 AM Reply	Elon James' take. http://www.balloon-j...-an-app-for-that/ (NSFW video link) Cheers, Scott.
Post #331,533 by boxley 8/19/10 7:51:24 AM Reply	there is an lrpd at the top of the page In Soviet America, hippie punches you
Post #331,534 by boxley 8/19/10 7:57:28 AM Reply	best answer yet. "It just is"

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