![]() yes that was the plan and who is bitchin? I have advocated raising taxes including payroll taxes beyond the cap. Lincoln is claiming that a rise in taxes is a republican lie. Bullshit, its an increase over what we have paid in the last 10 years.
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![]() but I've never caught what additional taxes you're paying now. Nor how that relates to the expiration of Bush's temporary cuts.
Elaborate? Thanks. Cheers, Scott. |
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![]() $90 a month less in my paycheck. $2400 this year directly attributable to obamacare increase in deductables. Now if we go to the tax rates of 10 years ago there will be 4% or so more coming out of my paycheck. Without the excise tax that is $3480 a year more than I had out of pocket under shrubs last year in office before we raise taxes to the levels of 10 years ago.
Now taxes need to increase because we are in a hole but I am sick and tired of all the apologists saying that taxes arnt going up, Obama will never increase taxes on the middle class, and republiCANTS are lying when they say taxes are going up in January. Grow a fucking spine or at least a logic chip. |
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![]() at least thats what they are saying.
even if he did, HE didn't. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
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![]() Are you griping about the cigarette tax increase again?
Why not gripe about increased passport fees under Bush (and Obama), too? "$2400 this year directly attributable to obamacare increase in deductables." What does that mean? Your deductable never went up while Bush was president? An increased deductable charged by a private insurance company isn't a tax paid to the government. AFAIK, the ACA fees, etc., haven't taken effect yet and most won't until something like 2014. You are aware, I'm sure, that companies find all kinds of stated reasons to increase charges that don't necessarily correspond to reality. Obama has said on multiple occasions that he won't raise taxes on those making less than $250k. You seem to be saying that you think your marginal rate will go up 4% points. Please point to a link or something that tells me specifically what you mean. IOW, more words, please. Cheers, Scott. |
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![]() stop saying "didn't that happen under bush too?". The point is he directly said there would be NO hike in taxes on ppl making less than x. Box has told you, REPEATEDLY, that is simply not true, and given examples. And yes, the cigarette tax IS an example of a tax on the population that his a majority of people in the lower income demographic (if you smoke).
And we're not griping about the passport FEE because its not a TAX. D'uh. A Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
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![]() If I annoy you so much, please put me in your kill file. I believe there's a trick with Span tags that can be implemented...
Thanks. Cheers, Scott. |
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![]() sorry to point out minor truths that run contrary to your beliefs.
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
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[...] HTH. Cheers, Scott. |
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![]() And, she's also right that on the campaign trail Obama promised not to raise "any" taxes on a family making less than $250,000. We rated that Promise Broken after Obama signed laws increasing taxes on cigarettes and indoor tanning.
Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
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![]() Context matters. When the discussion is about federal taxes, and categories are based on income, then the context is federal income taxes. This isn't complicated.
Yes, Obama and Gibbs and the rest were sloppy in trying to make a soundbite. It's a tragedy up there with the Hindenberg. Or something. :-/ Way to miss the forest for the trees. ;-) Cheers, Scott. (Who guesses that Beep and Box will be voting for Team Sarah based on this important issue.) |
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![]() FEDERAL income tax rises on earners under that magic limit, you will not recognize it as a tax increase.
Every other federal tax could go up by 2000%, but HE will have kept his promise to you. Got it. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
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![]() Thats funny. You bend over backwards and sometimes alter reality to defend something and >I< am the amazing one.
Too funny. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
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"Yes, Obama and Gibbs and the rest were sloppy in trying to make a soundbite." and are using this to forgive the fact that indeed some federal taxes have gone up that impact those making under $xxx and add now the qualification that it HAS to be income tax. Thats not what HE said. But in order for HIM to violate HIS promise, you've now limited it to only income tax. I'm not building an strawman. I'm quoting you. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
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![]() What are these "taxes" you speak of. AFAIK, the only 2 are excise taxes on tobacco and on tanning services.
The federal tax was increased from $0.39 to $1.01 per pack of 20 cigarettes in April, 2009. http://www.ttb.gov/m...hip-summary.shtml Other taxes on tobacco were increased as well. It is intended to pay for an expansion of SCHIP. Imagine that - increasing a benefit and finding a way to pay for it under PAYGO. Whodoathunkit. Smoke 2 packs a day, pay $226.30 more to the federal government a year. It's a huge burden. :-/ Don't like it? Don't buy tobacco. Problem solved. It's not a tax on people who make less than $250k, it's a tax on smokers. This isn't complicated. The excise tax on indoor tanning services is 10%. Around here, one can get "high level" monthly packages for $100 a month. That additional tax would be $120 a year. Another huge burden. :-/ It doesn't apply to medically necessary treatments at licensed medical offices - http://www.irs.gov/b...id=224600,00.html Don't like it? Go to a doctor. Or go outside. Problem solved. In contrast, Obama has cut taxes more than that - http://www.politifac...mulus-made-it-so/ . So even if someone is a heavy smoker and a heavy tanner, they would have come out ahead - had their net taxes cut. Or, IOW, he would have cut taxes on people making less than $200k/$250k. But let's step back and see what Obama actually said that gets reduced to the "I won't raise any taxes" sound bite: http://www.barackoba...rack_obam_112.php [...] The big picture says he's right. He obviously wasn't talking about excise taxes. Excise taxes are in the noise. But the big picture isn't interesting to some people here. And some people around here seem to think that Obama is a dictator who writes legislation, while most of us who were awake in American History know that the House writes the tax rules... :-/ Your insistence in constructing a strawman of me as some brainwashed Obamabot ideologue is rather tiresome. But whatever. Cheers, Scott. |
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![]() And I can make a firm pledge: under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 will see their taxes increase - not your income taxes, not your payroll taxes, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes. That is an absolute statement made by President Obama. Care to look up the demographic of smokers and or tanners? (other taxes have changed, but no need to look them up, as point is made here). I'm willing to bet that those demographics are majority making less than 250k and the last piece IS absolutist and NOT a net calculation. Yes, this is semantics. But I can bet pretty safely that I make under 250k and my take home is already down because of the change in withholding. And will everyone get this back equally? Or will alot of folks who don't make enough to file simply give that extra to the fed? (oh but they could get it back if they filed, so thats not the dems fault either). So again, we qualify to your semantics because it isn't >really< a tax increase. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
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![]() I could almost see voting for Palin in 2012 on the grounds that this sorry ratfucking excuse for a republic, this savage, smirking, predatory empire deserves her. Bring on the Rapture, motherfuckers! -- via RC |
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![]() Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
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WRONG! What I am pointing out is that the when the tax cuts expire, taxes will rise, and the RepubliCANTS ARE SAYING THAT IT'S THE DEMOCRATS' FAULT. "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow |
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![]() as that was their compromise for the passage of the cuts.
D controlled the Senate when they went through. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
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![]() "Democrats had a hand in it"? Thus, it's all the Democrats' fault that taxes will rise in 2011 when Bush's tax cuts expire?
Your "logic" is absolutely in-fucking-credible. "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow |
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![]() I don't believe so.
You are being singular in your forgiveness, all I am pointing out is what happened in 2001 when they were passed..and how. Certainly it was a Republican admin that passed them this way. Both sides screwed us. So why are you blaming it only on one? Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
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