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Post #32,973
by dmarker2
3/21/02 5:36:10 AM
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New Re: Anti-AIX - lot of emotion at the time but...

To some justified.

IBM did get a somewhat justified 'bad rap' as being anti unix. But it was about DEC that the infamous quote was made

"DEC supports UNIX like a rope supports a hanged man ..."

I had started on UNix in 1980 on a Zilog 16-bit box called the s-8000 which ran a ver 7 Unix called ZEUS (Zilog enhanced Unix System) which was Bell ver 7 with the Berkley Enhancements). Later I worked with XENIX when it too was ver 7 based (later SysIII then Sys V).

Even up to 1989 & later many IBMers I then worked with hated Unix - esp the AS/400 folks in Rochester but to know IBM is to understand the Austin Texas plant & the division that loved UNIX & fought for it all the way both within IBM and outside in the open fragmented quarrelsome market. These guys wanted to do big things to make UNIX acceptable in 'real world' commercial environments.

Unfortunately the AT&T inspired UI/OSF split turned most of us then Unix fans into bigots who fought each other over idiot nothings while Bill Gates pushed his people to build NT. NT today provides the unity the Unix market could never achieve. With some hope & luck Linux might achieve some success but as with Unix back then, the same emotional bigotry is likely (already) to scupper any deep & long lasting Linux Success. Factions were & remain Unix & Linux worst enemies. Bill Gates & co only have to play us all off against each other (when we aren't doing it ourselves).



Cheers

Doug
Post #32,989
by Andrew Grygus
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3/21/02 11:03:36 AM
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New I retired one of those Zylog Zues boxes . .
. . replaced it with an Everex Megacube running Esix Unix SVr3.2.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
     MS used to develop in... vi?? - (admin) - (34) - March 20, 2002, 10:59:05 AM EST
         Explains it all. - (pwhysall) - March 20, 2002, 11:19:35 AM EST
         Xenix was a great product! - (boxley) - March 20, 2002, 12:09:16 PM EST
         More revisionist history from the masters - (jb4) - (7) - March 20, 2002, 01:07:45 PM EST
             Another BG line - (dlevitt) - (6) - March 20, 2002, 01:24:18 PM EST
                 Remeber NT3.5.1 was a pretty decent product - (boxley) - (4) - March 20, 2002, 01:44:50 PM EST
                     Box, you (of all people) shoulda known... - (jb4) - (3) - March 21, 2002, 08:59:06 AM EST
                         Y'know.. even us non- codemonkeys - (Ashton) - (1) - March 21, 2002, 04:29:56 PM EST
                             Don't you mean its earlier cousin, the UAE? -NT - (wharris2) - March 21, 2002, 06:48:43 PM EST
                         thats when I bailed -NT - (boxley) - March 26, 2002, 12:48:23 PM EST
                 A truly Stupefying line from the little twit hisself: - (Ashton) - March 20, 2002, 08:24:16 PM EST
         IBM did have the AIX product for PCs. - (a6l6e6x) - (22) - March 20, 2002, 04:40:16 PM EST
             Jives perfectly with IBM, AIX that is. - (wharris2) - (21) - March 20, 2002, 06:01:22 PM EST
                 Re: AIX Odd ???? - (dmarker2) - (17) - March 20, 2002, 09:09:38 PM EST
                     Odd, yes - (wharris2) - (3) - March 20, 2002, 06:50:39 PM EST
                         Re: If thread is on idiosyncracies - (dmarker2) - (1) - March 20, 2002, 10:39:35 PM EST
                             Re: If thread is on idiosyncracies - (wharris2) - March 20, 2002, 11:52:27 PM EST
                         Re: Odd, yes... But Right!!! - (folkert) - March 24, 2002, 08:53:23 PM EST
                     Doug, I was an engineer on IBM S/360/67. - (a6l6e6x) - (12) - March 20, 2002, 10:31:15 PM EST
                         Re: Doug, I was an engineer on IBM S/360/67. - (dmarker2) - (11) - March 20, 2002, 10:58:58 PM EST
                             Exciting times indeed! Read this BOX. - (a6l6e6x) - (10) - March 21, 2002, 12:54:31 AM EST
                                 Re: Exciting times indeed! - (dmarker2) - (8) - March 22, 2002, 04:37:19 AM EST
                                     It is amazing you still have the tools. - (a6l6e6x) - (7) - March 21, 2002, 11:00:42 PM EST
                                         Re: You are dead right about replacing cores - (dmarker2) - (6) - March 22, 2002, 04:34:08 AM EST
                                             Yep, I hear about that Suggestion Award. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - March 22, 2002, 12:05:52 PM EST
                                             Question about core memory. - (static) - (4) - March 23, 2002, 04:27:03 AM EST
                                                 Re: Question about core memory. - My memory of core :-) - (dmarker2) - (3) - March 23, 2002, 06:44:19 AM EST
                                                     Now imagine threading R/W wires x-turns, through EACH one.. -NT - (Ashton) - March 23, 2002, 02:02:01 PM EST
                                                     Re: core memory. - (a6l6e6x) - March 23, 2002, 08:24:14 PM EST
                                                     Ah... - (static) - March 24, 2002, 09:23:26 PM EST
                                 hey you could do big/little I(E)ndian that way! -NT - (boxley) - March 26, 2002, 12:52:59 PM EST
                 AIX - doesn't that stand for . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - March 20, 2002, 11:33:58 PM EST
                     Re: Anti-AIX - lot of emotion at the time but... - (dmarker2) - (1) - March 21, 2002, 05:36:10 AM EST
                         I retired one of those Zylog Zues boxes . . - (Andrew Grygus) - March 21, 2002, 11:03:36 AM EST
         Told this to my UNIX admin students - (tjsinclair) - March 21, 2002, 01:37:11 AM EST

What a cruddy, unimaginative anti-climax.
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