So clearly a case of 'hate the sinner...' when even by their own texts it should be 'hate the sin'. People who like inflicting these types of rules on others are what gives a bad name to everyone with a similiarly named belief system.

But what were they so surprised about?

Shortly before I got married - literally about a day - my pastor spoke to both of us and said something like 75% of church-attending couples have already had sex (with each other) before the marriage night. Something about the way he said it to us strongly suggested that not only this was probably part of what he said to every couple he married, but was something he didn't find much point in mentioning outside that little talk.

Wade.