Hate to say it box

Post #327,115 by jake123 5/31/10 4:59:48 PM Reply	Hate to say it box but Israel has become a fascist bigoted state. You need to face up to this reality. They have become that which they hated... if the settlers and the super-orthodox were being honest with themselves, they would realise they are the nazis now. Don't see much difference between "God gave us this land in the covenant" and "lebensraum". Israel already has the ghettoes... the next question is how long before their Kolbricki?
Post #327,121 by boxley 5/31/10 5:49:15 PM Reply	you are confused "if the settlers and the super-orthodox were being honest with themselves" have a link http://aviewfrommyba...g-against-israel/ a lot of the "settlers" are secular
Post #327,276 by jake123 6/3/10 1:07:59 AM Reply	Hence the and One doesn't imply something about the other. Nor does it imply that everybody in Israel thinks in that fashion... just that the people in charge of the levers of the state do. Clearly those folks in the article you cited have been honest with themselves about it and agree with me. Don't forget, naziism is in large part about using the power of the state against undesirable people in violent ways. How is what they're doing to Gaza materially different from what happened in Europe in the thirties?
Post #327,280 by boxley 6/3/10 8:26:20 AM Reply	so you agree that israel has no right to exist with jews in charge? Well at least you are honest about it. Don't forget, naziism is in large part about using the power of the state against undesirable people in violent ways put Israel aside for a moment, your description of naziism is flawed because it fits the canadian government in its treatment of first nations. It fits the American Government in the case of native americans and those native americans who are from beyond the souther border. Itcertainly fits hamas who has a nasty habit of throwing PLA members off of rooftops and torturing them. Fits the Pakistanis who dont like shiites, fits nearly every country in the world, so is the world run by nazis? Naziism to me is the desire and setting in place a plan to kill an entire race because you want to then attempting or succeeding to execute that plan. Under that description Israel doesnt fit but canada does. Interesting isnt it.
Post #327,311 by jake123 6/3/10 3:45:57 PM Reply	It's my humble opinion that fascism as an ideology was the true victor in WWII. Yeah yeah yeah... other people have done wrong things... so it's okay if Israel does it. Right, box? Oh wait... "plan to kill an entire race" and "using the power of the state against undesirable people in violent ways" -- I'm not seeing a lot of daylight between those two statements there. I also can't help but notice that you slipped on by the point about Gaza and the West Bank having a lot in common with (say) the Warsaw ghetto, esp. in the earlier days of the Hitler regime. But Israel is the victim here, right? I mean, it's only when they kill people in ratios significantly greater than 1000:1 that Israel might be considered as overreacting. Another part of fascism (and naziism is fascism with dirigiste appeals to tribalism) has to do with the alliance of capital with the state and vice versa... so yeah, the world pretty much is run by nazis, esp. in these latter years. And, you know what? We here in Canada stopped with the residential schools. Israel hasn't; instead they're escalating. So, who should we be criticizing in the here and now? Really, my personal opinion... is Fuck Israel. It's also Fuck Harper... he's a goddamned tool. Sadly, we're experiencing a real crisis in leadership in this country, so the alternatives all suck.
Post #327,316 by boxley 6/3/10 5:18:45 PM Reply	Re: It's my humble opinion that fascism as an ideology "you know what? We here in Canada stopped with the residential schools." you havnt stopped in the least, look at the various standoffs you have ongoing up there with a majority of you population want them to dissapear with a small minority actively trying to do just that. as far as israel goes fuckem, I agree, treat them just like we do iran cuba south africa china, no better and no worse. If gaza is so fucking innocent why do you think the egyptians have them in lockdown? Because they dont want a heavily armed iranian outpost parked on their flank either. Dont think for a minute the egyptians are doing this out of love for jews, they have their own reasons
Post #327,319 by Another Scott 6/3/10 7:41:18 PM Reply	Egypt opened the Gaza border... http://www.reuters.c...TRE6512XD20100602 Mirroring an Israeli blockade, Egypt has kept its border with Gaza largely closed since the Hamas Islamist group, an offshoot of the opposition Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, seized the territory in 2007. "Thank you Egypt and thank you President Hosni Mubarak," said 50-year-old Umm Hashem on a bus at the Rafah terminal, the only Gaza crossing not controlled by Israel. "Rafah is our lifeline and we hope it will remain open. We hope this is the beginning of the end to our suffering and to this siege," she said. Hamas officials welcomed the move but questioned its timing. It coincided with international outrage over the deaths of nine people in Israel's interception at sea on Monday of an aid flotilla bound for Gaza with the aim of breaking the blockade. "We want Rafah to be open fully and permanently. In the next few days we will see if the opening is for real and permanent or just a reaction to the current situation," said Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhoum. Palestinians have been relying on a network of tunnels dug under the border with Egypt to skirt the blockade, smuggling in anything from staples to explosives. "The border will remain open for an unlimited time," an Egyptian source said, adding that there would be no restrictions on Palestinian movement in and out of Egypt nor on the flow of food, medical and humanitarian supplies to the Gaza Strip. Egypt has also allowed a shipment of electric generators into Gaza, Red Crescent and border officials said on Wednesday, the first time it has let in non-food or medical supplies since Israel's 2008-2009 assault on the strip. [...] Israel's government is going to have to give on the blockade, and if they have any sense they'll give on other issues with the Palestinians, too. Cheers, Scott.
Post #327,325 by boxley 6/3/10 8:29:47 PM Reply	they could have done that years ago wait and see when the next terror attack on Egypt occurs and what the response will be. If it stays stable Israel can simply wall off their side and call it good to go.

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