government, not to be trusted

Post #322,080 by boxley 2/26/10 10:09:25 AM Reply	government, not to be trusted http://politicaltick...?fbid=xI4E5VN2xuI Fifty-six percent of people questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Friday say they think the federal government's become so large and powerful that it poses an immediate threat to the rights and freedoms of ordinary citizens. Forty-four percent of those polled disagree. people are waking up to the fact that government may not have the individuals rights in mind as much as self preservation If we torture the data long enough, it will confess. (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)
Post #322,085 by jake123 2/26/10 11:37:51 AM Reply	The thing is, that question is not really the right question. The right question is... who are the people in government that you trust? I can say that when it comes to the government around here (speaking strictly locally here) that there are folks that I trust and folks that I don't, and folks that I'm not worried 'cause they've got no real power anyway. I don't distrust "the gubmint" but there are some people in there that I wouldn't trust with the contents of my toilet bowl. There are other people who are clearly honourable and deserving of trust. That's the real issue, not whether you trust "the government". Way to fucking vague a question to be useful, that... but it probably appeals to manichean children.
Post #322,106 by Ashton 2/26/10 6:08:02 PM Reply	Love. It. English is NOT dead (just in the US.) While Manichæism seems to have flourished most in earliest centuries til ~ 14th century, when the churches disappeared -- clearly amongst Fundies everywhere: we inhabit a social-universe of Opposites ->\|<- locked in a perpetual death struggle for possession of the Certainty: I AM Right! cf. a History of Gnosticism And thanks to the techno of fission/fusion + the recent exponential Rise of Dumbth, there may finally be a Winner: the cockroach. (most radiation resistant species know, last I heard.) Of course too, the oldest religions have always had a koan describing the maya (by-any-Other-name) as the World of Opposites. This one and its inhabitants. Currently it seems: the Murican Repo exemplifies this futility-in-(in)action, complete with cheerleaders from Wasilla -- all seeking the codes to what The Bagman carries around in that football -- that which shall express once-and-for-All: Their Right-eousness. (Alas, with no audience to applaud The Winner.) And so it goes..
Post #322,109 by boxley 2/26/10 7:42:41 PM Reply	not hardly, if you remember the freedoms at least for white men anyway thru circa 1968-9 or so was much greater than the little liberties that the current and just prior regime has so graciously allowed. Suggest you take a commercial flight somewhere and match that to one from the 1970's If we torture the data long enough, it will confess. (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)
Post #322,111 by Ashton 2/26/10 10:01:32 PM Reply	Need to look up ManichÃ¦ism; non sequitur.
Post #322,112 by boxley 2/26/10 10:17:20 PM Reply	need to look at russia circa 1955, we are there now If we torture the data long enough, it will confess. (Ronald Coase, Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, 1991)
Post #322,264 by crazy 3/3/10 4:01:28 AM Reply	Really? Sorry, I haven't noticed any pograms recently.
Post #322,110 by mhuber 2/26/10 8:59:04 PM 2/26/10 9:00:09 PM Reply	And I'd say the same about the State of Wisconsin, the City and County of Milwaukee, my boss, and the nosy old biddie next door. And the local firearms aficionado who sells recreational pharmaceuticals. All pose an immediate threat to the rights and freedoms of ordinary citizens. I'm not a Libertarian because I want all of them off my back, not just the Feds. A better question would be "which of these poses the most immediate threat to the rights and freedoms of ordinary citizens." In my experience, that would almost always be the Municipals. Go on, ask some random plumber to tell you who he's had more grief from: the Feds, or that rat-bastard city inspector? As for the freedom of white men circa 1970, try showing up at the office with facial hair or the wrong tie. Us guys (well, not really me, cuz I was 10) were free as long as we never stepped off the path, and it was a narrow path with weird kinks in it. ------------- It's not so much the vending of recreational pharma that bothers me as the firearms-based business model. (Edit: closed quote) Edited by mhuber Feb. 26, 2010, 09:00:09 PM EST Expand All History

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