Worth the watching of all 3 (4?) IMO

Post #319,941 by Ashton 1/12/10 4:39:48 PM 1/12/10 4:44:09 PM Reply	Worth the watching of all 3 (4?) IMO His POV is, IMO quite similar to digital-think as manifested on more trivial levels ... by many who have imagined what George Boole imagined [because he said so, at the outset, re his New Logic postulate]. I've lost the exact quote but in essence he said (that he hoped) ~ "... that these ideas shall have some applicability in human discourse and debate ..." And the watching is worth it because Jon Stewart obviously did his homework, even wading through much of the 'pseudoscience-of-the-law' bafflegab (also based on some fanciful musing that, simple declarative sentences can be parsed in an entirely Boolean-mindset manner to arrive at 'the Truth of the Matter' eg. precisely determine implicitly (!) ... a Just Punishment. cha.cha.cha.) And then Jon concisely confronted each of Yoo's logical koans, brilliantly interspersing the rebuttal with the core of the Matter(s) and with al punte correlations to The Treaty and incentives for not breaching it. To wit: We don't want OUR troops treated in a way which violates the treaty, and if we violate its implications -- we surely will see {more} such events. These 3 videos seem to me to comprise a compact, valuable lesson for the thinking-minority, especially the yout-minority of thinkers on: how to have an entirely civilized discussion/debate with a person who has not yet learned the difference between legal pseudoscience (especially: aimed towards an expected.. nay demanded!? "answer" Desired-answer) towards an obvious malevolent End.. The man must have an impoverished definition of Reason, and is as ethics-free as Enron's lieutenants. These are not prerequisite qualities in academia nor have I met a professor who exhibits such. That Yoo is teaching, a stone's throw from LBL in Berkeley ... is a wretched factoid. Nor can his affected affability excuse his immaturity and infantile sense of humanity as in, humane. Armani-clad creep, is my summary judgment. But I possess no legions with which to drum him out of the Corps. Life: a crap shoot. To forget one's purpose is the commonest form of stupidity. -- Friedrich Nietzsche The more enlightened we become, the darker it seems to get. -- Vance Rodewalt oyTp Edited by Ashton Jan. 12, 2010, 04:44:09 PM EST Expand All History
Post #319,951 by Another Scott 1/12/10 9:24:31 PM 1/12/10 9:50:03 PM Reply	Thanks. I spent the ~25 minutes to watch it. Stewart came very close to asking the important questions, but something always came up before Yoo had to give a full answer. :-( It was infuriating to hear Yoo talk about the problem that 'there hadn't been a decision on what came between what was legal and what was torture.' That's BS. Stewart called him on it (there's the Army Field Manual and similar things, the Geneva Conventions, US law, prosecutions of people that committed torture in the past, etc., etc.), but Yoo slithered away. His rationalization that he was tasked to find what space existed between what was permitted and what was torture was nonsensical. As Stewart said, several times, in each case Yoo sided with the argument that increased Bush's power - even if treaties, laws, and 210+ years of history said otherwise. His attempt to portray himself as a underling trying to protect the country was terribly disingenuous. Stewart put up a good effort, but was reminiscent of his interview of Betsy McCaughey - http://www.huffingto...-ca_n_264970.html - and painful to watch. I guess a consolation is that I wouldn't expect that the book will sell very well... ;-) Thanks again. [edit:] A few other views: Andrew Sullivan - http://andrewsulliva...-that-theory.html Adam Serwer - http://www.prospect....jon_stewart_fails Spencer Ackerman - http://washingtonind...of-the-daily-show Cheers, Scott. (Who expects that Yoo isn't out of the woods yet...) Edited by Another Scott Jan. 12, 2010, 09:50:03 PM EST Expand All History
Post #319,961 by jake123 1/12/10 11:42:32 PM Reply	My take is Yoo should not be planning any travel outside the U.S. ever again.
Post #319,995 by Ashton 1/14/10 4:01:18 AM Reply	Didn't read the reviews.. But I go with the responder at http://www.prospect....jon_stewart_fails There's something just a bit depression about having to hope that a comedian on a comedy show (on a comedy network) - even a bright, politically attuned, quick-on-his-feet comedian - is going to pick up the slack following nine years of the MSM's failure to competently address the same issues. To Stewart's credit, he has managed to hold some famous feet to the fire following similar MSM failures, and he's nobody's monkey. ( http://politicalhumo...wartcrossfire.htm ) Posted by: Aaron \| January 12, 2010 2:29 PM Stewart can't become Glenn Greenwald-for-a-Day. He adequately responded with the bemused body language appropriate to the craven spin of this empty suit. Which is what I meant re the pseudo-science of all such bloviations [just cite YAN 'precedent candidate' whenever an idiotic argument has been rebutted.] There is no end.. to such excursion ... except the judge pronouncing an end, ex cathedra. Hey, Scalia smiles a lot too, while deconstructing everything south of the Golden Rule; Yoo doesn't smile actually -- it's a smarl (or a snile), oft seen on actual inmates in mental confinement. Have encountered a few Yoos, in the day.. deem them akin to a mad dog; there's no cure for this form of rabies -- just euthanasia. And that's OK: such a one is orthogonal to any scale of tolerance one might attempt to define. They are scientifically-Evil by definition (no religious versions need apply -- they will be as inane as Yoo himself is, when employing law-speak.) Can only hope that UC acquires some nads and fails to renew his contract; if they let the sucker attain tenure, Murica is more fucked than I imagine. And I think it's pretty-FUCKED in myriad ways. It's about time for that revolution the FFs (founding..) spoke of -- Tom Paine and Jefferson IIRC -- as being 'a good thing, periodically'. Such as we are in 2010, our continued existence is ~ indefensible. We excel nowadays only in the home-growing of audiences for demagogues. And creation of vacuous, predictable simple-minded entertainments, designed only as fillers in between more ads. (The drug-use rate alone demonstrates the extremes to which people will go, to escape the zeitgeist and the deadly daily drone of puerile nonsense which fills the airwaves, offices and ads.) That Yoo is not already in jail.. says not quite All, but enough. My 3 kopeks

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