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New Ummm... why does it matter?
The guy with the burnt balls got on the plane with the device in a different country. If I hop a plane from Toronto to Cleveland, Toronto lets me on with a miniature nuke, and I bake Drew's cookies over Cleveland, how does that reflect on US security in any way? I would never suggest that TSA isn't totally theater with the side benefit of conditioning citizens to obey preposterous directives from uniformed functionaries without question. TSA has fucked up six ways from sunday, but I can't see this being one of them. YMMV.
New You have to go through US customs
before you can board a plane in T.O. bound for a US destination. AFAIK, this is true for all airports in the world with flights to US destinations; if you're not willing to let Total Security Awareness^W^W^WThe Transportation Safety Administration in, you don't get to HAVE flights with US destinations. So yeah... it is in fact your problem.
New Ok, I learned something new
I haven't been out of the country since the TSA idiots got into the act. The last time I went through Toronto, I went through customs where they were only interested in what we bought there (they tossed my wife's purse for receipts) and the rest was normal airline boarding. Oh well. Entropy increases.
New Customs is not TSA
and TSA doesn't screen outside US.
I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
New Semantics?
http://www.tsa.gov/b...est-airlines.html

Q: What additional security measures are being taken for international flights to U.S. destinations?

A: TSA issued a directive for additional security measures to be implemented for last point of departure international flights to the United States. Passengers flying into the United States from abroad can expect to see additional security measures at international airports such as increased gate screening including pat-downs and bag searches. During flight, passengers may be asked to follow flight crew instructions, such as stowing personal items, turning off electronic equipment and remaining seated during certain portions of the flight.


FWIW.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Nope
They issued a directive.

Other country's security has to implement or meet standards set, otherwise no flights can come to the US from there.

We don't set their rules, they do. We just tell them whether or not we think they're good enough.
I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
New canada is different
when you step into the boarding area of a major airport you are on US soil via agreement with canada. Not TSA but border patrol and customs.
http://en.wikipedia....rder_preclearance
New not really
http://www.catsa-acs...s_mesures&lang=en

I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
New You seem to be glossing over what "directive" means.
Although you use similar language, you're coming to a different conclusion than me.

E.g. http://www.tsa.gov/a...dancev1.12.07.pdf

SUBJECT: ENFORCEMENT SANCTION GUIDANCE POLICY

PURPOSE: This policy directive provides sanction guidance for imposing civil penalties up to $25,000 per violation for aircraft operators and up to $10,000 per violation for all other “persons,” including individuals, when a determination is made that civil penalty enforcement action should be taken.1 This sanction guidance is being issued to assist TSA personnel on the appropriate application of penalties under TSA’s present civil penalty authority.


AFAICS, it's similar to an FAA "airworthiness directive" - http://www.airweb.fa...rame?OpenFrameSet . If the FAA says to do something and the operator doesn't, the plane can't fly.

And TSA has broad powers over foreign carriers that operate in the US. http://ecfr.gpoacces...9#49:9.1.3.5.13.1 (I assume that's a transient link...)

Subpart B—Security Program
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§ 1546.101 Adoption and implementation.
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Each foreign air carrier landing or taking off in the United States must adopt and carry out, for each scheduled and public charter passenger operation or all-cargo operation, a security program that meets the requirements of—

(a) Section 1546.103(b) and subparts C, D, and E of this part for each operation with an aircraft having a passenger seating configuration of 61 or more seats;

(b) Section 1546.103(b) for each operation that will provide deplaned passengers access to a sterile area, or enplane passengers from a sterile area, when that access is not controlled by an aircraft operator using a security program under part 1544 of this chapter or a foreign air carrier using a security program under this part;

(c) Section 1546.103(b) for each operation with an airplane having a passenger seating configuration of 31 or more seats but 60 or fewer seats for which TSA has notified the foreign air carrier in writing that a threat exists; and

(d) Section 1546.103(c) for each operation with an airplane having a passenger seating configuration of 31 or more seats but 60 or fewer seats, when TSA has not notified the foreign air carrier in writing that a threat exists with respect to that operation.

(e) Sections 1546.103(b)(2) and (b)(4), 1546.202, 1546.205(a), (b), (c), (d), (e), and (f), 1546.207, 1546.211, 1546.213, and 1546.301 for each all-cargo operation with an aircraft having a maximum certificated take-off weight more than 45,500 kg (100,309.3 lbs.); and

(f) Sections 1546.103(b)(2) and (b)(4), 1546.202, 1546.205(a), (b), (d), and (f), 1546.211, and 1546.301 for each all-cargo operation with an aircraft having a maximum certificated take-off weight more than 12,500 pounds but not more than 45,500 kg (100,309.3 lbs.).

[67 FR 8377, Feb. 22, 2002, as amended at 71 FR 30511, May 26, 2006]

[...]


As to whether TSA does the actual screening at foreign airports or not, I can't say. (See, e.g., http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-07-729 ) However, it's fairly clear to me that if TSA is not satisfied with foreign carrier screening, their planes can be denied landing rights.

IOW, TSA does write the rules that foreign carriers have to meet. They don't simply make recommendations. (Again, it may be semantics, but I think it's important.)

Cheers,
Scott.
New No,
TSA and FAA set standards that need to be met in order for a plane to overfly and/or land here.

They don't screen.

I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
New Well, that one time I went to LA ten or so years ago
I was screened. And some of the people doing the screening were /definitely/ Americans. That said, it was no big deal, but... that was ten or so years ago, ya know?
     Nobody's running TSA. Why am I not surprised? - (Another Scott) - (14)
         so souther is voted in and unionizes - (boxley) - (2)
             Government employees have the right to unionize. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                 I agree they have the right - (boxley)
         Ummm... why does it matter? - (hnick) - (10)
             You have to go through US customs - (jake123) - (9)
                 Ok, I learned something new - (hnick)
                 Customs is not TSA - (beepster) - (7)
                     Semantics? - (Another Scott) - (6)
                         Nope - (beepster) - (5)
                             canada is different - (boxley) - (1)
                                 not really - (beepster)
                             You seem to be glossing over what "directive" means. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                 No, - (beepster) - (1)
                                     Well, that one time I went to LA ten or so years ago - (jake123)

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