Does it even matter if it is carcenogenic?

Why would I need "studies", when I *know* for a *fact* that your smoke gets to me? It's quite obvious, really: I *know* for a *fact* that your smoke gets into my clothes and makes them stink, irritates my eyes so they get red and run and hurt, and gets on my skin and in my hair so *I* stink.

Actually, even without evidence of carcenogenic effects of second-hand smoke, this in and of itself makes smoking in the presence of a non-smoker impolite at best. At worst, even without carcenogenic effects, it can be hazardous to people with other breathing ailments or smoke-related sensitivity. I'm not normally hypersensitive to cigarette smoke, but if I have a cold the stuff increases my misery considerably. Someone with more severe ailments like bronchitis might even find it life-threatening.

Back in the late 70's and early 80's, when I was pretty active in tournament chess, I could go to a chess tournament, play games in a smoke-filled room, and smell smoke for a week. (It clings to the fine hairs inside your nose, making it next to impossible even to wash the stink out.)

YES - that smoke does stink, and cling.. as said. That it is 'carcinogenic' to *some* degree - appears by now to be incontrovertible. The mere impoliteness ALONE: in any sane society [Hah!!] ought to render any discussion moot. DO NOT create smoke in others' air supplies. If outdoors - usually that Ought to be enough space to permit a reasonable coexistence. Usually.

But I'll still support Dan re the smarmy deflection of attention towards THIS (problem of uncivilized intrusion) and FROM: the evidently larger problem, ongoing and as evidently, more-SERIOUS situation for ALL.

Just the amount of crap that enters the atmosphere as consequence (say) of the creation of One Computer [much worse: One New Auto..] illustrates the magnitude.

Consider merely all the noxius solvents that go along with each step from mining the ore to.. finished, color-packaged, product. I'm sure that everyone here has enough imagination to not need some stupid and lengthy list of those stages.

IMhO we do not pay attention to THAT because: it goes to the heart of infinite, mindless consumption = the very BASIS of all the current wet dreams of everything from personal wealth to the fucking ownership of..

One of Everything / TWO! of Some.

(No, I dunno how best we morph from this idiocy towards.. some Other measure of ego / self-worth than.. mere acquisiton of Endless Stuff. But we'd best take a stab at inventing some new myths and some new things to do, in the daily nonsense play which fills the time for most homo-saps.)

Ashton
'Chemistry' introduced me to (lots) - now its misuse may kill us all, quite ungloriously. Via our passion for Excess.

PS - is it even OT ??

I was in a local chain Everything-store (not ever Walmart, of course) on Sun. pm. Saw a corner of an island filled with...

..wait for it.

...all colorfully "blister-packed" sos you can salivate over the content of the Must_have thing you're about to put on your near-maxed credit card.

....because You Really fucking NEED this!

.....It was a slew of:

FART Machines.

Uh huh.. Uh Huh Huh... Uh Huh Huh Huh Huh.

Flaming assholes everywhere...
Talk to one of THOSE buyers about particulate matter in second-hand smoke....

Post #31,830 by wharris2 3/12/02 12:15:44 PM Reply	Does it even matter if it is carcenogenic? Why would I need "studies", when I know for a fact that your smoke gets to me? It's quite obvious, really: I know for a fact that your smoke gets into my clothes and makes them stink, irritates my eyes so they get red and run and hurt, and gets on my skin and in my hair so I stink. Actually, even without evidence of carcenogenic effects of second-hand smoke, this in and of itself makes smoking in the presence of a non-smoker impolite at best. At worst, even without carcenogenic effects, it can be hazardous to people with other breathing ailments or smoke-related sensitivity. I'm not normally hypersensitive to cigarette smoke, but if I have a cold the stuff increases my misery considerably. Someone with more severe ailments like bronchitis might even find it life-threatening. Back in the late 70's and early 80's, when I was pretty active in tournament chess, I could go to a chess tournament, play games in a smoke-filled room, and smell smoke for a week. (It clings to the fine hairs inside your nose, making it next to impossible even to wash the stink out.) Where each demon is slain, more hate is raised, yet hate unchecked also multiplies. - L. E. Modesitt
Post #31,877 by Ashton 3/12/02 3:14:07 PM 3/12/02 3:29:31 PM Reply	Foolish attempt at some sort of summary (?) YES - that smoke does stink, and cling.. as said. That it is 'carcinogenic' to some degree - appears by now to be incontrovertible. The mere impoliteness ALONE: in any sane society [Hah!!] ought to render any discussion moot. DO NOT create smoke in others' air supplies. If outdoors - usually that Ought to be enough space to permit a reasonable coexistence. Usually. But I'll still support Dan re the smarmy deflection of attention towards THIS (problem of uncivilized intrusion) and FROM: the evidently larger problem, ongoing and as evidently, more-SERIOUS situation for ALL. Just the amount of crap that enters the atmosphere as consequence (say) of the creation of One Computer [much worse: One New Auto..] illustrates the magnitude. Consider merely all the noxius solvents that go along with each step from mining the ore to.. finished, color-packaged, product. I'm sure that everyone here has enough imagination to not need some stupid and lengthy list of those stages. IMhO we do not pay attention to THAT because: it goes to the heart of infinite, mindless consumption = the very BASIS of all the current wet dreams of everything from personal wealth to the fucking ownership of.. One of Everything / TWO! of Some. (No, I dunno how best we morph from this idiocy towards.. some Other measure of ego / self-worth than.. mere acquisiton of Endless Stuff. But we'd best take a stab at inventing some new myths and some new things to do, in the daily nonsense play which fills the time for most homo-saps.) Ashton 'Chemistry' introduced me to (lots) - now its misuse may kill us all, quite ungloriously. Via our passion for Excess. PS - is it even OT ?? I was in a local chain Everything-store (not ever Walmart, of course) on Sun. pm. Saw a corner of an island filled with... ..wait for it. ...all colorfully "blister-packed" sos you can salivate over the content of the Must_have thing you're about to put on your near-maxed credit card. ....because You Really fucking NEED this! .....It was a slew of: FART Machines. Uh huh.. Uh Huh Huh... Uh Huh Huh Huh Huh. Flaming assholes everywhere... Talk to one of THOSE buyers about particulate matter in second-hand smoke.... Edited by Missing User 70 March 12, 2002, 03:29:31 PM EST Expand All History
Post #31,879 by wharris2 3/12/02 3:31:42 PM Reply	Nah, just right-shifting the monomania a bit :=) Where each demon is slain, more hate is raised, yet hate unchecked also multiplies. - L. E. Modesitt

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