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New How does one sort through this stuff?
Those are 2 interesting studies, but I'm not sure how one can compare them. The first group certainly were prevented from cheating, but they were also in a stressful environment. The first study was 36 young men. The 2nd study was 3 men and 8 women according to the PDF and the diet wasn't as controlled.

When I was in my early 20s, it was almost impossible for me to change my weight of around 125. By the time I was in my mid-30s, my weight would creep up near 160 if I ate anything approaching the same number of calories. Yes, my activity level dropped (I used to walk a lot, now not so much), but more was going on, I think.

Anecdotally, I can weigh less the morning after eating a pint of Ben and Jerry's than I do after eating nothing. I find a real fatty ice cream like that to be much more satisfying than the equivalent amount of fluffy lower-fat Edys. I also know that people in their ninties who always ate lots of meat and potatoes and never had weight problems. (Others in their family were extremely obese, so something else other than home cooking was going on there, too.)

But I'm not sure how to sort out all of these competing diet claims. I don't think that the standard Department of Agriculture diet is an evil plot, and I think there's a demonstrated benefit of roughage (usually tied in with carbs) to get stuff out of the body reasonably quickly. Aren't too many of these reports annecdotal? How do you come up with a way of evaluating them that isn't simply confirming pre-existing bias?

Cheers,
Scott.
New End result
and there are about 30 differing diets revolving around this central theme...is to induce ketosis by reducing or changing the diet balance from carb to fat/protein.

Reducing carb intake puts the metabolism on overdrive to burn internal fat. Some doctors believe this to be a starvation reaction, others take it as a natural phenomenon directly related to man's history as primarily a carnivore.

Controversy aside, thats the scientific basis for most of these low carb plans.
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New It's not easy
Anecdotally, I can weigh less the morning after eating a pint of Ben and Jerry's than I do after eating nothing. I find a real fatty ice cream like that to be much more satisfying than the equivalent amount of fluffy lower-fat Edys. I also know that people in their ninties who always ate lots of meat and potatoes and never had weight problems. (Others in their family were extremely obese, so something else other than home cooking was going on there, too.)</blockquote.
I've always got the impression that the effects of milk vary widely from person to person. The ability to handle milk as a regular part of the diet seems to be a recent change in humans, and it varies a lot more then other things. I know I can eat cheese and drink milk without having much effect on my diet but other people seem to have to avoid it.

Jay
New Agreed, twice
First, I agree that it's not easy. But my big agreement is with this:
The ability to handle milk as a regular part of the diet seems to be a recent change in humans, and it varies a lot more then other things.


I think people's tolerance and affinity for different substances varies much more widely than is generally assumed. Some people can't eat wheat gluten. Some can't handle dairy. Some get cancer if they smoke, others don't.

When a study shows, for instance, eating 6 oz. of red meat per day increases your chances of heart disease by 20% (made up numbers) I suspect the reason is not that it increases likelihood for everyone. I think the reality is 20% of us are not as tolerant of red meat.

As for sorting out the competing claims, I don't take those two studies to be definitive of any particular theory. Rather they demonstrate that the more common viewpoint pushed by the AMA and AHA is not as simple nor as well settled as they make it out to be.
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Drew
     NS: The Calorie Delusion - (Another Scott) - (15)
         It's not just about hunger pangs - (drook) - (5)
             Neat. Thanks. -NT - (Another Scott)
             How does one sort through this stuff? - (Another Scott) - (3)
                 End result - (beepster)
                 It's not easy - (jay) - (1)
                     Agreed, twice - (drook)
         I think what is missing is the metabolic rate of different - (boxley)
         Have some cake! - (dmcarls) - (1)
             Well done, that town! -NT - (static)
         The Hot Dog and Ben&Jerry's Diet. - (Another Scott) - (5)
             Good lord - (jake123) - (1)
                 Agreed that slow is better. - (Another Scott)
             ice cream and hunger pangs - (boxley) - (2)
                 ice cream fat content - (beepster)
                 ICLRPD (Where's "Post As New Thread" when you need it?) - (static)

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