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New I'm not going to reply there...
We can have our own list here. :-)

My first car was a 1971 Leyland Mini I bought off my dad. 997cc and four gears. I used to think if I had the time and patience, I could do great things with it. I sold it when it got too small and the fuel economy started dropping (it needed new piston rings...). And it needed a fifth gear.

Second car was a 1982 Mitsubishi Sigma wagon. 2L. Very nice, actually. I loved the very even gearbox ratios. Unfortuantely, I got shunted one day and it was never quite the same.

Third car was a splurge. A 1989 VN Commodore. My first and only Automatic. The main problem with Commodores is that their value falls so quickly. Plus being a 3.8L V6, it was thirsty. I traded it in.

My current car is a 2001 Mitsubishi Lancer. 1.8L. Goes well, but I'm getting a little bored with it.

Wade.

"Ah -- I take it the doorbell doesn't work?"
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1. 1989 Nissan Bluebird LX 1.6. Too much car, too little engine.
2. 1995 Renault Laguna RT 1.8. Comfy, slow, rusty, timing belt went and cost me £480.
3. 1998 BMW 318ti M Sport. Fun, thirsty, costly to run for what it was.
4. 1999 BMW 528i SE. Best car so far. More-or-less the same running costs as the 3er, but with the refinement and power to justify it. The I6 is smooth, the ride excellent, and it's no thirstier (35+ MPG on the motorway, 25ish around town) than a 2L 4-pot driven enthusiastically enough to get the same kind of performance. On the motorway, I reckon it's just about perfect.

ETA: All of these are manual transmission; auto is something that's unusual in the UK. Almost everyone passes their driving test in a manual because if you pass in an automatic, you cannot legally drive an automatic. The only auto cars I've driven and not been given Teh Rage by are big diesels (BMW 530d wasn't bad, frexample - the box could change gear without you noticing).

My mother's Ford Fusion (1.6L petrol, she's got a dicky left hip and using the clutch aggravates it) is simply not suited to the automatic gearbox. Buzzy and while not exactly jerky, I can change gear better than that autobox does. She'd have been better off with a nice big diesel automatic, but her comment was "I can't park a large car". My comment was "you can't park a small one, so why not have something quiet and comfortable, with a big boot?". But then she never listens to me. Keeps buying Windows laptops, for a start...
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1. 1955 Nash Metropolitan
2. 1948 MG TC roadster - traded to uncle for Jag.
3. 1961 Jaguar XK150 coupe - destroyed by a red light runner from NJ.
4. 1954 Jaguar XK120 roadster.
5. 1965 Jaguar 3.8 liter MK II
6. 1977 Toyota Celica hatch-back
7. 1983 Toyota wagon - crashed.
8. 1993 Ford Escort wagon - disintegrated in use.
9. 1997 Saturn wagon.

The Saturn is still in great shape after more use than destroyed the Escort, and I'm pretty sure its the best handling car I've had - holds the road like glue.
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1. 1987 Camaro Z28 - New. Fun car for an automatic, and it was in great condition the day it was stolen out of a parking garage in Southfield, MI, in 1999. My second car; the first was an Oldsmobile Delta 88 diesel station wagon of my parents'. The Camaro was wonderful until my little sister let me drive her Vette for a week on my honeymoon. Then the Camaro felt like crap. Grr.

2. 1995 Ford Taurus - Leased, nice family car for as long as we had it.

3. 1997 Ford Taurus - Leased, very solid car. This was the first unibody version as I remember. Never had a problem with it. Very comfortable family car.

4. 1999 Ford Windstar - New. 125K miles. Still running, pretty good on repairs, other than the rust. Oh, the rust. We brought it in to get the windshield repaired, and on the way out of the lot the vehicle starting making a very distressed crunching noise going around the corner. Brought it immediately back. "Oh, it appears that the engine mount has rusted through." Ugh. The driver's side doors are rusting all along the bottom as well. Lots of little issues with this vehicle apart from the rust: freaky interior lights, broken door lock actuators, sticky sliding doors, and so on, but nothing huge. I won't buy another.

5. 1989 Ford Mustang LX - Used. Bought to replace the Camaro. This is a built for the quarter mile car: headers, K&N filter, no cats, 4.55 rear end, flowmaster exhaust. 1st gear is good for 15mph, if you still have any tires left. My first and only manual transmission car. Terrible in the winter; at one point I was putting cardboard in front of part of the radiator to get the heat to work (racing thermostat). The car bought me a nice set of tickets during a 15-second period of extremely poor judgment (managed to pass, doing 70 in a 45, an unmarked police car that had just cut me off). Currently this car is sitting in the garage, because it was replaced with:

6. 1999 Ford Taurus VOHC - Used. Nice car... quick, roomy, decent handling for a sedan. Bought from the neighbor with 30K on it, driven only by his wife. I was sick of driving the Mustang in the winter, and we needed something more practical because of our second child's arrival. At 50K on the odometer, the engine seized. I was driving into work and, in order, the oil light, temp light, and check engine light went on within a few seconds of each other. Then the engine went off forever. According to some research an interested neighbor kid did, these things were known for that. Sheesh. I will not buy another Ford at this point. Replaced by:

7. 1997 Audi A8 - Used. Yes, the famously in-the-shop A8. Still expensive, still in the shop occasionally, and still a very nice, comfortable, sporty, roomy, well-handling car - 145K on it now. Although the other arm rest just fell off (the '97s were famous for this problem). I will probably keep this car until it falls apart (10 years from now! Or more! Do you hear me, car??) Mileage: 20/28. However, I live 3 miles from work, and I fill the thing up once every 2 months. I reckon that's not bad a'tall.

When it's time to replace the van, we'll probably get a Honda Odyssey.

Edit: what happened to the rest of the Mustang comments...?
Regards,
-scott
Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
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New You do realise...
...that you're the first person in the world to describe the livingroom-on-wheels that is the A8 as "sporty"?
New ...but compared to most US cars...(gd&r) :)
They said I was gullible ... and I believed them
New Re: You do realise...
Excellent pick-up and great handling.

OK, it's not a sports car. But it's a hell of a lot better than other barges I've driven.
Regards,
-scott
Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
New Copied and pasted from TTAC...
Here’s my list (many of them my parents’):

1955 Chevy Bel Air - My Dad’s daily driver for decades. 4 door, 6 cylinder, “3 on the tree”. He finally gave it away in the 1990s.

1960 Rambler - My Mom’s car for a couple of years in the ’60s. The front seats reclined all the way, forming a handy bed with the back seat. It was fairly reliable, but quirky. The “3 on the tree” shifter would often hang up shifting from 1st to 2nd, so she’d have to stop, open the hood, free the linkage, close the hood, and get in and try again. One headlight would go out going over bumps.

1969 Chevelle - My Mom’s for a couple of years.

1970 Pontiac GTO. My Mom’s car when I was in HS and college. 400 CID, “350 HP”, automatic. I loved that car. The original engine threw a connecting rod driving through Indiana as it overheated. (Turns out the water pump impeller was eaten up by a cooling system cleaner that ate aluminum.) I replaced it with a used 455 CID engine that had an an astounding amount of torque. Unfortunately, she loaned it to a friend who wrecked it. :-(

1966 Olds F-85 (the lower trim version of the Cutlass). Given to me by a friend. 330 CID, 2 speed automatic, manual steering. A very light, very simple, reliable car. No A/C. Top speed of about 90 mph (tested driving on a new asphalt road in Oklahoma when it was about 110 F outside). Given to my Mom who had it for several years before I gave her a used 1988 Olds 98 (she put about 300k miles on that before it disintegrated).

1974 Ford Galaxie 500 2 door. Given to me by an uncle when I was in grad school. A comfortable car, except for the out of balance wheels created by a service tech who used a sledge hammer to try to get the rusted wheels off the axles. Had terminal rust problems (said uncle stored rock salt in the trunk for too long) - even the gas line rusted out.

1987 Buick LeSabre T-Type. 3.8 litre V-6, 30 mpg highway, 20 mpg commuting. Given to me by my step Mom who had it as a business lease. It was a reliable car and I put over 130k miles on it (about 185k total) before giving it away. Had the tranny replaced under warranty, and the usual maintenance, but it was cheap to run. The paint went to hell after about 7 years though. I had to replace the harmonic balancer shortly before I gave it away - I had to use a 10 foot long lever arm to get the bolt to budge!

2004 VW Jetta TDI Wagon 5 speed GLS. Bought new in late 2003. I wanted a small wagon that got at least as good highway mileage as the LeSabre and had very few choices. It’s been quiet, fun to drive, good stereo, and very reliable. I get 45 mpg per tank average commuting to work (I drive like a granny) and up to 51 mpg on the highway. I love it.

Cheers,
Scott.
(Who fixed a typo or two.)
New Car stories...
1960 Rambler - My Mom's car for a couple of years in the '60s. The front seats reclined all the way, forming a handy bed with the back seat. It was fairly reliable, but quirky. The "3 on the tree" shifter would often hang up shifting from 1st to 2nd, so she'd have to stop, open the hood, free the linkage, close the hood, and get in and try again.


When I was growing up, my Dad had a Vauxhall sedan, model unknown, possibly a Wyvern. I was just old enough to remember replacing it with a Holden Torana. Anyway: Dad had several stories about the Vauxhall, notaby involving the gear linkage, as it was also a column shift. Apparantly it used to "fall down" and to change gear, you first had to "pick up" the linkage, somehow re-engaging the gearbox. However, sometimes that didn't work, and you had to go under the bonnet and reset the linkage from there... He said doing that twice in a few metres in a busy shopping centre convinced him it had to be put out to pasture.

Wade.

"Ah -- I take it the doorbell doesn't work?"
New Interesting...
My parents had a 1969 Buick Le Sabre convertible with a 400. That engine also threw a rod and was replaced with a 455, and yes, that's a ridiculous amount of torque. :-)

What a great car... bench seats like twin beds, perfect for cruising the beach, and a phenomenal engine sound. That car could hit 130 without breaking a sweat, but it felt like 60.

Until you had to turn, that is...

http://www.gmphotost...s/53218245_pr.jpg - except red, not white.
Regards,
-scott
Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
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New Pretty.
That must have been a blast in the spring and fall.

Our GTO was similar to this http://www.americanb.../1970-GTO--29.JPG But in our case, the color was called "Palomino Copper Metallic" and it had a tan vinyl roof. THM400 transmission, column shifter. It wasn't a monster by any means, but was a blast.

Late '60s and up until about 1971 GM iron was a great for kids in the late '70s. Cheap, fairly abuse-tolerant, great to learn wrenchin' on, and could be made scary quick for not a whole lot of money. Of course, those cars killed a lot of kids, too.

The highest speed I ever saw in the GTO was 120 (indicated) with 6 people in it (with the 400). It was pretty tired when we got it, and for the longest time it wouldn't do above about 60. It would accelerate like the dickens, but never be able to get above about 60 mph. After throwing a lot of money at it replacing parts (carburator, fuel pump, ignition stuff, valve job, etc., etc.) because I didn't know how to properly diagnose it, I finally discovered (with the help of my friend's dad who was a farmer and always tinkering with his machinery) that a piece of rubber fuel line at the gas tank was kinked. Cutting off about 1" of it and reinstalling it fixed that problem.

Another good thing about having a car like that when you're young is, at least in my case, you appreciate the memories but don't want to relive them (at least not as a daily driver). Cars are so much better now. :-)

Cheers,
Scott.
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1. 1988 Plymouth Reliant K. Yes, a K-car. Automatic little piece of crap. It served me well enough from high school (when bought used from my father's aunt) through college. After moving from Texas to Illinois, it decided that it didn't like Illinois winters (it must've gotten acclimated to Texas "winters"), and gave out 3 months after moving up here. The second engine always had issues after my brother seized the first engine running it without oil. Famously, while driving it to Texas from NJ, the engine coughed up 3 of the 4 motor mounts. By the time I got to Vidor, TX, the engine was noticeably moving vertically when placed into/out of gear. It always had a problem holding on to its motor mounts thereafter.

2. 1998 Honda Accord. 4-door, 5-speed manual. 118k+ miles and still going. I bought 2 of these at the same time -- I have no clue if my ex-wife still has hers or not. I treat it like crap (it has now officially been 1 year and 2 days; about 4500 miles since its last oil change. I'll get it done soon, I promise!) and it runs like a champ. I've been told for about 4-5 years by my mechanic that I need to replace the clutch. I always have something better to spend my $1200 on. Clutch refuses to give out.

3. 2004 Nissan Maxima. This is Beth's car. 5 years old in a couple of months; I'm preparing to make my last car payment on it here in a couple months. Can't friggin' wait. Maybe I'll save up a few of Beth's car payments and replace my clutch. 28k miles, I think. We don't drive anywhere anymore. It's nice.

Assuming that the Honda doesn't give out, the next car I purchase will likely be for stepson #1, who is currently 12 going on 20. Or perhaps another for Beth, who will then hand over her Maxima to said stepson. Who knows?
-Mike

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
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First off was a 1980 Toyota Corona.
http://upload.wikime...Sedan_-Front-.jpg
Beige (of course). Because it was my first car, it was of course the bestest thing on wheels. OK, so that feeling lasted a whole month or two. After one sizable stupid-young-male-driver accident, it quickly degenerated and was hastily traded in on ...

1985 Holden Commodore
http://i11.ebayimg.c...?set_id=80000500F
Yeah, I was All That in this car :) For a 3.3 litre six, it really moved. Someone smashed into it the day i was announced Sydney won the bid for the 200 Olympics(!). Finally sold it coz one day when I was driving home I saw...

1986 Toyota Celica
http://www.cars-dire...a_celica_2601.jpg
This was my lesson in why you Do Not Impulse-Buy A Car. It actually kind broke down on the way home from the dealership. A sign of things to come. But it ended up being a love/hate relationship, coz when it was actually working, it was such good fun, a wonderful car to drive. And pop up headlights! I noticed that like most owners of cars with pop-up headlights, it takes only the most minute degradation in natural dayight to make me think "ooh, better put the pop-up lights on!". (Look around - when dusk is still a long way away, any car with pop-up headlights will almost surely have its headlights on:)
Sure it'd scrape its front spoiler on everything, the suspension would bottom out if you ran over so much as a toothpick, but it was all worth it on the days when it wasn't getting fixed. At one stage my workmates ran a little competition to see if it would last two weeks without having a problem. It got there..but I think it was a few months after the started their little scheme. Traded it in when it was, I'm quite sure, about 5 minutes away from a total engine failure, on ...

1994 Nissan Bluebird SSS
http://www.cargurus....15/pic-37731.jpeg
After the Celica, all I was interested in was reliability. This thing had it in spades. In the five-and-a-bit years I owned it, it only let me down once. Not a very exciting car, but handled OK, had nearly enough oomph, didn't cost me all that much to keep and did everything I asked of it, without problem or complaint. And the head-up display was not only cool, but genuinely useful in speeding-fines-au-go-go New South Wales. Then one day my brother told me one of his friends was selling his ..

1999 Mazda MX-5
http://www.premierca...b_525x367_mx5.jpg
By this stage I'd changed jobs and was taking the train to work each day - so I'd usually only drive once a week if I were lucky. So I figured if I only drive once a week, I want it to be fun, and who gives a shit about practicality. OF course when I bought it I couldn't drive a manual, but hey I figured it's a sure-fire way to make me learn how to drive a real car :) And what an awesome car, love it. Handles like nothing else anywhere near its price range, it's not super-fast but certainly quick enough, and I may be biased but I still think it's much better looking than the current one. It has a boot not much bigger than a briefcase, cabin storage that'll hold two, maybe three muesli bars, but I don't care. Mazda's "horse and rider" marketing guff suddenly makes sense. You really feel like there's not much mechanical interference between you, the steering wheel, and the road. There's certainly not much distance between your bum and the road, that's for sure! It's ten years old now, and starting to show the typical 10-year-old-car niggles, but I can't part with it yet, I'm having too much 'zoom-zoom' fun.


They said I was gullible ... and I believed them
New I'm glad you replied. :)
I'd forgotten about the Celica...

Wade.

"Ah -- I take it the doorbell doesn't work?"
New Mazda --
A much-refined A-H Sprite, but sounds like about the same sense that it's a roller-skate which You are directing / and it follows.
Most folks (who don't ride cycles) never experience that er, cyborg- sense.

That being ~so, note that a controlled- "two-wheel drift" in the 3-D equilibrium of the two-wheeler ... engages lots more of that inner gyroscope than the simpler, planar equivalent of carz. In any (next) event though -- a few such experiences for-fun can really SYA/instinctively, when the fates converge on a dicey situation.
I Hates evull-handling carz (and the bean-counters who force their mass-production) as there are so few reasons to build such crapware, any more == usually just pure-refined greed at the parts, engineering level.

Also.. tires, Tires! -- rubber formulation; screw the longevity: it's Your Ass hung out there, daily.

(Everyone gets to be Tazio Nuvolari ... for 5 seconds. If lucky.)




New What car?
Seriously. I've never owned one. I figure I'm probably one of the lowest carbon footprint people in North America... ;)
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Dunno if I can remember them all..

69 Plymouth Valiant - 2dr, 225 Slant 6 automatic

77 Chevy Monza - coupe, 4cyl/4 speed - wrecked after owning it a week

66 Chevy 3/4t Pickup - given to me, put a healthy 350 in it. With the 4:56 rear and truck 4spd with 'granny low', it'd literally roast the back tires to nothing. Didn't drive it much as I didn't have a license due to the wreck with the Monza, and I couldn't afford insurance on it when I got my license back

79 Honda CB750F - great bike, was my only vehicle for a couple of years because I could afford the insurance

74 Vega GT - drag race car (that had license plates..). There's a story behind this one that ended with the torque from the 454 I built for it being too much for the car. I learned what subframe connectors were that day.

81 Mercury Cougar. Tiny V8, automatic. 2nd worst car I ever had. Transmission literally exploded while I was driving to work one day.

82 Buick Skylark. 4cyl/auto - one of the best cars I ever had. Had 65K on it when I bought it, and 200K when I sold it.

77 GMC pickup. Was big into camping and offroading - and this was a great beast for both. 350 4spd, 4x4

81 Chevy Malibu wagon. 305 auto - got into a motorcycle accident that laid me up. (ridin bitch on a friend's new harley..he was showin' off, I ended up in the hospital for a week) Was hard to get in and out of my truck, so sold it and my bike and bought this wagon from my girlfriend's parents.

84 Olds Cutlass Supreme. My all-time favorite car. Had a 307/THM200 that was shortly replaced with a 403/THM350- both built for speed. Very much a sleeper what with the landau roof and wire wheels. Surprised many Camaros and Mustangs in those days.

69 GMC 1/2t pickup 250 6cyl with 3 on-the-tree. Bought a house that needed major reno work - needed a work truck.

84 Toyota Tercel. I stupidly sold my Olds and bought this royal pile of crap. Hated everything about this car. I bought it because I was dating a girl (who would become my exwife) that lived about 70 miles away and I thought it'd save on gas. It WAS cheaper on gas, but OMFG, I could not BELIEVE how much parts were to fix the thing - and it was broken at least monthly.

83 Buick Century. Got for $200 with a bad tranny. Fixed tranny, drove for a couple years. Meh.

85 Chevy Celebrity. My parents gave us this one. Was a good running car - can't remember why I sold it. (lots of my first marriage is a blur....)

76 El Camino. Sold the GMC pickup and bought this from a friend for $100. Needed an alternator and a carb rebuild drove for a couple years.

70 Chevy pickup. This was my dads for the camper. He sold the camper and was dying of cancer and didn't have any use for the truck anymore. Sold the El Camino and bought this. Later sold it to my father-in-law.

88 Pontiac 6000. Probably the best car I've ever owned. 92K when I got it, 227K when I traded it in. In that time it got a timing chain (just because it had so many miles), a fuel pump, an alternator, a couple sets of brakes and tires. I loved this car.

84 Chevy S-10 blazer. Buddy had this- my wife wanted it, so we sold the pickup to her dad and bought it. Blech.

93 GMC pickup. A road gator went through the grille, AC condenser, and radiator of the 6000 - so I traded it in on this.

92 Geo Tracker. Wife could not stand that I got a car and she didn't, so the blazer was traded in on this.

Got divorced. Finally.

93 Olds Cutlass Supreme. Couldn't afford pickup payments on top of child support and living expenses. Nice car, got rear-ended by a 17yo girl driving her dad's F350 clubcab dually diesel. She was doing 40, I was stopped. Yeah.

The Tracker got repossessed cuz ex stopped making payments- long story there, too.

72 Chevy Pickup. My sister had bought this as a work truck when she bought her first house and was pretty much done with it.

99 Nissan Sentra. My current wife (the keeper) bought this just a couple months before we started dating. OK car - annoyingly underpowered, but got great mileage.

77 Chevy pickup. I stupidly wanted another 4x4. Was a good truck, but I'm way past the camping-partying every weekend thing. Shoulda kept the 72.

95 Dodge Grand Caravan. The wife had surgery on her left foot and couldn't drive a stick anymore. Both cars we had (Sentra and Pickup) were manuals, so we sold the truck and bought this van for $1000, needing a transmission. I bought a junkyard tranny for $500 and she drove that van for 3 years. We really like the utility the van offered, so when the transmission started acting up at 250K on the clock...

97 Dodge Grand Caravan. This one had the bigger engine (3.8l) and ran great...only had 60k miles. We drove it til it had 180K on it.

99 Chevy Pickup. One day, I'm driving the Nissan, the wife's driving the van..well the van ends up in the back seat of the Nissan. The Nissan gets totalled, the van gets fixed, and we get a few sideways glances from the insurance company. I bought the truck with the proceeds from the Nissan. Still have it.

66 Chevy Chevelle SS396. My dream. My brother-in-law found this car on his dad's property after he passed away. He gave me the car - but a few months later, the owner of it came looking for it. He had the title and last registration (from 1986!) so took it from me. I've been in a depression since then.

05 Chrysler T&C. In moment of weakness (idiocy, actually) we traded in the Dodge van on this one. It's nice - but I hate it because it symbolizes such a stupid financial decision. I can't wait to be rid of it. Every time I get in it I just want to ram it into something. Or puke on the dashboard.

92 Honda Accord. I bought this off of ebay 2 years ago for $1400. It's a bit rough around the edges, which makes it a good project car for my son to learn a few things with. We've done brakes (including hydraulics), frontend, clutch slave cylinder, battery and tires so far. He'll be driving in about a year. It's currently my daily driver (well, when I drive - it goes about 20 miles a week, usually). I love it, and will likely buy another Accord when Nick starts driving - assuming he shows enough responsibility to drive at 16. Ain't looking good so far. It's a 5spd - I insist he learn on a stick.

I used to love cars and love working on them. Now I hate them. I'm happiest with an old truck and a motorcycle. If I could buy whatever I wanted (within reason), I'd probably buy a BMW 3series ragtop and replace the van with a VW Passat or Subaru wagon.

I'm sure I've forgotten at least a couple in there.... there was a Ford Granada that I've tried really hard to forget- don't really remember when that was, though.
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69 VW Beetle "stickshift" automatic with the clutch in the shifter handle. Fun little beast. Bought for $50 from a junkyard and ran for two years.

72 Plymouth Satellite Sebring Plus. A very nice ride. Not super fast but had some get up and go. Flipped it end for end off a 12 foot embankement. Didn't run so good after that.

72 AMC Javelin with lots of speed work done to it. Fastest thing I've ever owned.

80 Ford Fairmont. My folks gave me this when I finally decided to go to college in my late 20s. Ran decent but collected rust and dings like a magnet.

78 Olds Delta 88. My highway boat.

89 Saturn SL. The less said about this the better.

90 Chrysler LeBaron "J-series" 2-door convertible. My favorite. Ran great. Decent mileage. Good highway car. Good handling.

Several forgettable vehicles not listed because,... I forget.
     Entertaining thread at TTAC - (Another Scott) - (24)
         I'm not going to reply there... - (static) - (17)
             Re: I'm not going to reply there... - (pwhysall)
             Re: I'm not going to reply there... - (Andrew Grygus)
             Re: I'm not going to reply there... - (malraux) - (3)
                 You do realise... - (pwhysall) - (2)
                     ...but compared to most US cars...(gd&r) :) -NT - (Meerkat)
                     Re: You do realise... - (malraux)
             Copied and pasted from TTAC... - (Another Scott) - (3)
                 Car stories... - (static)
                 Interesting... - (malraux) - (1)
                     Pretty. - (Another Scott)
             Re: I'm not going to reply there... - (mvitale)
             Re: I'm not going to reply there... - (Meerkat) - (2)
                 I'm glad you replied. :) - (static)
                 Mazda -- - (Ashton)
             What car? - (jake123)
             Re: I'm not going to reply there... - (Steve Lowe)
             Re: I'm not going to reply there... - (Silverlock)
         Let's see what I can remember - (jbrabeck)
         Okay the top of this list is: 1976 Pinto. - (folkert) - (2)
             I see why you're a Mondello fan now. ;-) - (Another Scott) - (1)
                 Re: I see why you're a Mondello fan now. ;-) - (folkert)
         Err... just cars? That would cut my list in half.... - (scoenye) - (1)
             Know whatcha mean -- - (Ashton)

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