Its a zero sum game at the end. If it doesn't come across in price, then it will come with increases in taxes somewhere else because corp tax revenue will fall due to lower profits.
In the end, the customer pays for EVERYTHING.
![]() Its a zero sum game at the end. If it doesn't come across in price, then it will come with increases in taxes somewhere else because corp tax revenue will fall due to lower profits.
In the end, the customer pays for EVERYTHING. I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
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![]() I thought the article made an interesting observation.
However, the trouble with trying to summarize economics in two paragraphs is that it necessarily simplifies things. I'm not quite understanding your argument, Beep. How would, say, Microsoft (our favorite corp.) be hurt if they had to pay slightly more taxes? They seem to be doing well enough to have $23B in cash and short-term investments lying around: http://finance.yahoo.../bs?s=MSFT&annual In contrast, IBM has less than $10B in the same category: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bs?s=IBM Apparently Microsoft is hanging on to its income to a much greater extent that IBM. I think it may be due to the fact that MS's prices often have little to do with their costs (e.g. consider how MS is willing to undercut Linux in the developing world). If everything is a "zero sum", then how is economic growth possible? My understanding is that economies grow because people invest and work and, in effect, take deferred compensation with the hope of having a piece of a bigger pie at a later date. How does the pie get bigger if what goes in exactly equals what goes out? In other words, elaborate please. :-) I think the biggest problem with this argument is that it treats things as being static. If a company has to raise cash quickly, or clear out inventory quickly, or raise production quickly to prevent waste and take advantage of better prices on raw materials when purchased in bulk, or whatever, then they're going to consider a lot more than the tax. Companies will sometimes take a short-term loss, and sometimes grab an easy profit when they can. Of course taxes aren't always passed through. It's almost always the case that statements with "always" in them are wrong at least part of the time. Remember that taxes are part of the cost of living in a civilized society. If companies that can afford to help pay for the cost of funding a civilized society don't do so to the extent that they should (and that extent is debatable, of course), then others who are less able to do so will have to make up the shortfall. (An interesting history of federal individual and corporate income taxes is here: http://www.taxanalys...eum/1901-1932.htm The 20th century corporate income tax is older than the federal income tax, but their history is inextricably linked.) Cheers, Scott. |
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![]() that 23B in MS bank is a debt owed to the owners of the company, it does not belong to the company at all
If you are suggesting that higher taxes would not hurt the company, taxes never hurt a company it just reduces the debt of the company to the owners so in the case of MS, you are digging into Andrew's back pocket for that money as he is a owner of a part of that company. Now if you think that owners should get less money, thats fine they can all cash out, tank the company put everyone out of work and then where would you be? |
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![]() Consumption generates all revenue to corporations and government siphons from this for its "revenue". Reducing corp profits nets lower tax revenue from corp side that will be made up elsewhere (read consumers). It may not impact the price of the specific good in the short term and thus appear that its not being passed on...but you need to go back to premise 1...it all starts with consumption, which all starts with the consumer...which all starts with you or I.
I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
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![]() Providing a service is satisfying a "consumption"? I've not heard the term used that way. Be that as it may...
Consumption generates all revenue to corporations and government siphons from this for its "revenue". Government provides a variety of services to corporations related to: 1) Security (police, fire) 2) A legal system and a framework of laws (courts, access to them, rules, property rights) 3) Utilities (though publicly-granted monopolies to water, electricity, gas) 4) Roads and a transportation system 5) An educated workforce 6) Etc. Why should a corporation not pay something for these services that are made possible by government - the things that make a modern corporation possible? Bill Gates and Henry Ford didn't create the world in 7 days. Reducing corp profits nets lower tax revenue from corp side that will be made up elsewhere (read consumers). As mentioned above, corporate income taxes are based on profits which are defined as (revenue - expenses). So the case can be made that taxes on profits can't increase expenses (since it's a separate category that's already counted). So, taxing profits won't reduce corporate profits, will it? Cheers, Scott. |
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![]() And a tax on profits decreases net profit, not gross. A change in income/profit tax will take longer to work through the system..but will eventually end up in price. So the short term discussion will be in your favor, they won't immediately raise prices to counter.
There's no reason why govt shouldn't expect corporations to pay for services...but they pay for them with customer money. Companies don't make money, they make goods and services that people or other companies pay for. I'm not a proponent of eliminating corp income taxes as some are. I do think they can and should be lowered to improve the value equation of domestic investment. I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
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