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Post #295,064
by jb4
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10/24/07 6:02:06 PM
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New Error...
>[...] and you could have a very simple ballot paper and [...]


Uhhh...you are from out-of-town, aren't you. Haven't you heard that paper ballots have been all but outlawed? You see, my poor, benighted foreign friend, if you have actual tactile, paper ballots, there would be this awful thing called an "audit trail", and that would all but thwart attempts by Diebold et al to insure the outcome of all our elections are won by the highest bidder.

Please try and keep up...
jb4
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Post #295,068
by imqwerky
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10/24/07 6:10:16 PM
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New *chuckle*
Smile,
Amy
Post #295,088
by static
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10/24/07 10:54:42 PM
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New That was deliberate. :-)
As I'm sure you're aware, I'm a fan of pencil-and-paper ballots. And the likes of Diebold Election Machines* are rightly scared of them, if they are in the habit of throwing elections. For exactly the reasons you cite.

Wade.

* as distinct from Diebold ATMs who doesn't like their smaller cousin because he has this ba-a-ad reputation, see.

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Post #295,212
by CRConrad
10/27/07 1:54:05 PM
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New And you're still only HALF-radical: What is this "pencil"...
...of which you speak?

In Sweden, we use pre-printed ballots; the way you indicate your preference is by picking the one with your party's list of candidates printed on it. The parties pick up the printing cost.

OK, you could always strike out any particular candidate's name, if you didn't like sh/he/it, or write your own preferred list on a blank paper with just the party's name on it (or a totally blank one, if your party didn't have any pre-printed ones at all), but that is kind of the exception or special case: For voting a straight party ticket, no writing implement whatsoever is needed.

(And I think, though I'm not sure at all, that in case you do use one, it's supposed to be a pen, not a pencil.)


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Post #295,245
by static
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10/28/07 8:31:43 AM
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New Pencils are by the AEC in Au.
Ballots, too. Put a "1" in the box of the desired candiate. Number from "2" onwards if you like. Instant Run-Off. Vast majority of people figure it out. I counted at a booth once. Every ballot sheet must be also accounted for, used or not.

I don't know why pencils, not pens, but that's what the Australian Electoral Commission provides. Maybe they're cheaper than pens.

Wade.

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Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
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Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
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Post #295,257
by imqwerky
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10/28/07 1:29:55 PM
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New Ah, Simplicity
Do not bag any further on this pup. He knows whereof he speaks. Unlike our corrupted voting system, they still have that glimmer of virtue: innocence. Allow him and his countrymen to enjoy it while it lasts. You never know when the Diebold Disease will spread.
Smile,
Amy
Post #295,345
by static
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10/30/07 6:35:27 AM
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New Diebold will have it tough.
It has been asked many times through the years why we persist with such low-tech system. But there are several reasons it hasn't happened. First is that we have a federal commission that runs the elections in a way that doesn't happen in the US. The AEC is highly wary of such technology because it a) costs and b) has a very hard time beating the speed and reliability of our system: most electorates know their result the evening of the election. And there's another reason: compulsory voting means election campaigns spend a lot less money per capita than in the US. That makes it harder for voting machine companies to get in.

That said, there are electronic voting trials happening in this election; but they're intended for those who would have trouble with pencil-and-paper. The AEC has run trials before of voting machines and has been unimpressed.

Oh yes: [link|http://www.aec.gov.au/FAQs/Voting_Australia.htm#Why do they supply pencils in polling booths and not pens? Doesn't using pencils allow votes to be tampered with|Why do they supply pencils in polling booths and not pens? Doesn't using pencils allow votes to be tampered with].

Okay, I'll shut up, now. :-)

Wade.

Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
 
Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please



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     GOP moves to punish states that moved their primaries - (JayMehaffey) - (19) - Oct. 22, 2007, 02:02:17 PM EDT
         better solution - (boxley) - (18) - Oct. 23, 2007, 09:27:09 AM EDT
             LRPD: "The Box that is comprehensible is not the true Box" - (CRConrad) - (7) - Oct. 23, 2007, 03:36:42 PM EDT
                 How come you never pick on - (imqwerky) - (3) - Oct. 23, 2007, 07:44:26 PM EDT
                     It's not my spelling...it's my typing, dammit! -NT - (jb4) - (1) - Oct. 24, 2007, 05:57:52 PM EDT
                         Not you, Mehaffey :-) - (imqwerky) - Oct. 24, 2007, 06:08:42 PM EDT
                     Here's the thing.. - (Ashton) - Oct. 24, 2007, 09:05:22 PM EDT
                 Do I understand correctly that William Oxley - (rcareaga) - (2) - Oct. 24, 2007, 09:12:26 PM EDT
                     bred on it too :-) -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Oct. 24, 2007, 10:27:37 PM EDT
                         Only Rand must'a used up all the Shakespeare and Milton, eh? -NT - (CRConrad) - Oct. 27, 2007, 12:51:38 PM EDT
             Even better solution. - (static) - (9) - Oct. 23, 2007, 10:23:22 PM EDT
                 concur... - (slugbug) - Oct. 23, 2007, 11:09:06 PM EDT
                 no way, the electoral college can save the country - (boxley) - Oct. 24, 2007, 10:02:41 AM EDT
                 Error... - (jb4) - (6) - Oct. 24, 2007, 06:02:06 PM EDT
                     *chuckle* -NT - (imqwerky) - Oct. 24, 2007, 06:10:16 PM EDT
                     That was deliberate. :-) - (static) - (4) - Oct. 24, 2007, 10:54:42 PM EDT
                         And you're still only HALF-radical: What is this "pencil"... - (CRConrad) - (3) - Oct. 27, 2007, 01:54:05 PM EDT
                             Pencils are by the AEC in Au. - (static) - (2) - Oct. 28, 2007, 08:31:43 AM EDT
                                 Ah, Simplicity - (imqwerky) - (1) - Oct. 28, 2007, 01:29:55 PM EDT
                                     Diebold will have it tough. - (static) - Oct. 30, 2007, 06:35:27 AM EDT

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