Post #295,012
10/23/07 6:57:43 PM
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okies
"since they are attacking a sovreign nation turkey who has been much nicer about it than serbia for example." Serbia in the kosovo issue was much faster getting troops to go after Albanians poring into kosovo than the turks. Turkey is showing a lot of patience for people who have been targets of terrorists.
got a fez in yer eye that thinks turkey doesnt belong?
I have seen this before in your posts, a total antipathy towards Turkey
It was okay back when the austrians ran europe so why not now?
Byzantium was a european bastion after rome fell. A lot of Norse and Rus moved and traded there. Their decendants live on. There wasnt so much a population movement as much as a religious war that the muslims won. Do a genetic test on a macedonian and a western turk, not much difference genetically and from what I have seen, culturally not a lot different.
Turkey is currently a secular society with western aspirations, they should be encouraged to trade west and partner against the numbnuts further east.
HTH
Bill
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Post #295,016
10/23/07 10:38:40 PM
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You know, that's not nearly as silly as it sounds.
Turkey is currently a secular society with western aspirations, they should be encouraged to trade west and partner against the numbnuts further east. Whilst Turkey could be regarded as relatively secular in the Muslim world, in the secular world, it is still a lot more Muslim than the US is Christian. But having said that, their Western aspirations are helping them brake any push to become more Muslim. Wade.
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Post #295,021
10/24/07 2:44:47 AM
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Byzantium was not Turkey.
Byzantium was Rome; Turkey is not. Your "historical parallel" makes absolutely no fucking sense.
No, I don't have particularly much against Turkey, as such -- they're perfectly nice neighbours of Europe, nowadays. *Neighbours*, because Turkey isn't situated *in* Europe; it's the very fucking original definition of Asia. And that's why it doesn't belong in the European Union, which is a union of *European* countries. (If you ponder the name of the union real hard, maybe that'll become a bit more obvious: It's a *European* union, you see?)
And WHAT, exactly was "okay" in that time "when the austrians ran europe"?!? Large parts of Europe were under occupation by a foreign (non-European) power, the Osman Empire. Who the heck was "okay" with that??? The Osmans? Yeah, perhaps they were -- but as you'll notice, all the peoples in the occupied territories got rid of the Osmans as soon as they could. Seems no *Europeans* thought it was all that "okay".
My parallells -- DC Senators for Britain; Italy to run the Middle East -- are the exact continuation of your thesis that just becaused a nation centuries ago occupied what was before, and is now, someone else's territory, that long-ago ocuupier now belongs in that territory.
To most normal people that is *not* right. Can you explain why you think it is?
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Post #295,031
10/24/07 10:13:39 AM
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1918 was centuries ago? one maybe
asia minor starts on the east bank of the Bosphorus, lots of turkey west of that in southern europe. The same genetic mix lives there now as when Byzantium was roman with most of the same habits except for the religion.
thanx,
bill
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Post #295,214
10/27/07 2:13:12 PM
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"Lots"? Consult a freaking map, you nitwit - it's ONE CITY!
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Post #295,215
10/27/07 2:19:33 PM
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thrace is not a city, its a province
[link|http://graphicmaps.com/webimage/countrys/asia/tr.htm|http://graphicmaps.c...ntrys/asia/tr.htm]
follow the pointy line that sez
Turkey
Europe
(Thrace)
on the eastern end of the map it sez
Turkey
Asia
(Anatolia)
HTH
Bill
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Post #295,242
10/28/07 6:31:09 AM
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Single city and a wee bit of surrounding countryside, sheesh
YOU, a stickler for detail, all of a sudden? Somehow, this doesn't feel quite real... Anyway: That still doesn't make Turkey a European country, any more than Ceuta and Melilla make Spain an African one.
Let's turn this around -- in stead of me having to defend the European Union against this unwanted incursion all the time, let's have you Yanks[*] defend *why you want* Turkey in the EU.
A) What's the frigging *reason* for having it there?, and
B) What fucking business is that of yours?!? Do *we* get to declare which countries shall become States in *your* Union, next? I propose India, I'm sure they would like that. (With all her provinces, that would be about twenty or thirty new States, I suppose.)
[*]: And yes, that sadly seems to include you, BOx.
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Post #295,246
10/28/07 9:18:31 AM
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like we dont have trouble keeping them out now
but clamorings for georgia and armenia being part of europe and they are east of turkey seems to be the rage. Let them in, kick them in the gutter, I dont care but getting the slavs and tartars under yer wings while ignoring turkey seems to be short sighted.
thanx,
bill
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Post #295,293
10/29/07 12:11:45 AM
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That would be the Neighborhood policy
Not a path to membership but a diplomatic attempt to put a lid on the cesspool. As it is, organized crime controls trade and the goods are people. This has lead to import of the regional conflicts into the EU member states to the point that the rivaling gangs are rolling around fighting in the streets. The dead bodies are starting to pile up and their competition for territory is taking its toll on the natives.
As all kinds of fortresses and fences are/will be useless and the situation is going to soak up wads of money to rectify anyway, spending it over there in an effort to stabilize the situation seems to be the chosen route.
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