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Post #293,403 by bepatient 9/22/07 11:41:54 AM Reply	Go to the dictionary. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #293,404 by Seamus 9/22/07 11:49:20 AM Reply	You are just playing with the context Utterly ridiculous to imply that your impression of what they meant is the only interpretation. Seamus
Post #293,408 by bepatient 9/22/07 11:55:47 AM Reply	Give me a break Its word for word from the definition. Its absurd for you to deny it. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #293,417 by Seamus 9/22/07 12:24:59 PM Reply	It is absurd for you not to admit that there are different definitions and uses of the word traitor. And it is absurd that the definition you used from Scott's link, the one used to explain the use of traitor in phrases such 'race traitor' can only mean That is calling him a traitor by YOUR posted definition. Seamus
Post #293,419 by bepatient 9/22/07 12:41:55 PM Reply	Not worth it Politics 101 - How to lose elections. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #293,421 by Seamus 9/22/07 12:52:01 PM Reply	It just may do that But the argument is about the intent of the ad, the meaning of the words, not what affect it will have on the election. Two separate arguments. Seamus

Just for Beep: Achenblog on the attacks on Hillary. - (Another Scott) - (83) - Sept. 20, 2007, 05:37:18 PM EDT

She can't distance herself from her money - (bepatient) - (82) - Sept. 20, 2007, 07:25:07 PM EDT

I don't think she should - (jake123) - (23) - Sept. 20, 2007, 07:29:52 PM EDT

I don't really care if they were right or not - (bepatient) - (22) - Sept. 20, 2007, 08:31:22 PM EDT

*COUGH* -NT - (Simon_Jester) - (7) - Sept. 20, 2007, 08:53:53 PM EDT

Maybe I should be more clear - (bepatient) - (6) - Sept. 20, 2007, 10:00:11 PM EDT

But its quite OK to endorse a personal insult - (jb4) - (1) - Sept. 22, 2007, 10:44:45 PM EDT

I don't believe I've ever said that. - (bepatient) - Sept. 23, 2007, 12:40:06 AM EDT

> Would that 11th Commandment include Colin Powell, then? < - (Ashton) - (3) - Sept. 23, 2007, 04:47:57 AM EDT

Many good points. Thanks. - (Another Scott) - Sept. 23, 2007, 08:53:00 AM EDT

I don't understand you. - (bepatient) - Sept. 23, 2007, 10:42:55 AM EDT

I almost brought up the Truman-McDouglas issue - (Simon_Jester) - Sept. 23, 2007, 12:48:32 PM EDT

So the dems should bend over and take it - (crazy) - (10) - Sept. 20, 2007, 09:59:38 PM EDT

What? - (bepatient) - (9) - Sept. 20, 2007, 10:02:16 PM EDT

Damn close - (crazy) - (8) - Sept. 20, 2007, 10:15:38 PM EDT

Indeed. - (Another Scott) - (2) - Sept. 20, 2007, 10:35:11 PM EDT

"Betray us", just quoting the troops. -NT - (Silverlock) - Sept. 21, 2007, 07:48:09 AM EDT

2 completely different things. -NT - (bepatient) - Sept. 21, 2007, 08:56:57 AM EDT

FWIW - Cindy Sheehan's response re MoveOn ad - (Ashton) - (4) - Sept. 21, 2007, 05:23:50 PM EDT

This reminds me of what Keith Olbermann had to say - (Seamus) - (3) - Sept. 21, 2007, 05:33:40 PM EDT

I find it surprising that Olbermann is still on.. - (Ashton) - (2) - Sept. 21, 2007, 06:58:52 PM EDT

He is signed until 2011 according to Wikipedia - (Seamus) - (1) - Sept. 21, 2007, 07:27:05 PM EDT

Hmm, there's a thought - - (Ashton) - Sept. 21, 2007, 08:28:40 PM EDT

Petraeus is a big boy - I'm sure he's been called worse. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Sept. 20, 2007, 10:00:45 PM EDT

I'm sure he is and I'm sure he doesn't care. - (bepatient) - Sept. 20, 2007, 10:07:06 PM EDT

1.5 minutes of Hannity, Rush et al == 50 of this - (Ashton) - Sept. 21, 2007, 06:24:40 AM EDT

Why should she say anything? - (hnick) - (57) - Sept. 21, 2007, 08:33:41 AM EDT

Someone here put forth - (bepatient) - (56) - Sept. 21, 2007, 09:02:05 AM EDT

She voted no to this strawman. -NT - (Silverlock) - Sept. 21, 2007, 09:15:44 AM EDT

Re: Someone here put forth - (Seamus) - Sept. 21, 2007, 09:27:02 AM EDT

I was thinking more in terms olf Another Scott's post - (hnick) - Sept. 21, 2007, 09:46:09 AM EDT

Let's hear from the professionals, beep, shall we? - (rcareaga) - (52) - Sept. 21, 2007, 09:55:53 AM EDT

No problem with that at all - (bepatient) - (51) - Sept. 21, 2007, 10:20:16 AM EDT

Re: No problem with that at all - (Seamus) - (50) - Sept. 21, 2007, 01:34:42 PM EDT

Re: No problem with that at all - (bepatient) - (49) - Sept. 21, 2007, 09:39:36 PM EDT

I'm beginning to think you read a different ad. - (Another Scott) - (32) - Sept. 21, 2007, 10:02:32 PM EDT

Huh? - (bepatient) - (31) - Sept. 21, 2007, 10:15:36 PM EDT

Read the links... -NT - (Another Scott) - (30) - Sept. 21, 2007, 10:19:00 PM EDT

Re: Read the links... - (bepatient) - (29) - Sept. 22, 2007, 12:33:51 AM EDT

We'll have to agree to disagree. - (Another Scott) - (25) - Sept. 22, 2007, 12:46:00 AM EDT

You linked to the definition - (bepatient) - (24) - Sept. 22, 2007, 01:00:47 AM EDT

Please read me in my posts. - (Another Scott) - (14) - Sept. 22, 2007, 01:28:31 AM EDT

What has he NOT "fallen for the Republican spin machine" on? -NT - (CRConrad) - (3) - Sept. 22, 2007, 02:01:18 AM EDT

Quite a bit. But what do you know. -NT - (bepatient) - (2) - Sept. 22, 2007, 02:03:40 AM EDT

Quite a bit - I've known you for over ten years now. - (CRConrad) - (1) - Sept. 22, 2007, 02:23:49 AM EDT

Thats funny - (bepatient) - Sept. 22, 2007, 02:43:01 AM EDT

You told me to read the link. - (bepatient) - (9) - Sept. 22, 2007, 02:02:59 AM EDT

Oh, bullpucky! - (CRConrad) - (1) - Sept. 22, 2007, 02:34:45 AM EDT

BS - straight up. (new thread) - (bepatient) - Sept. 22, 2007, 02:47:50 AM EDT

The definition you quoted from was used to explain - (Seamus) - (6) - Sept. 22, 2007, 11:01:41 AM EDT

Go to the dictionary. -NT - (bepatient) - (5) - Sept. 22, 2007, 11:41:54 AM EDT

You are just playing with the context - (Seamus) - (4) - Sept. 22, 2007, 11:49:20 AM EDT

Give me a break - (bepatient) - (3) - Sept. 22, 2007, 11:55:47 AM EDT

It is absurd for you not to admit that there are different - (Seamus) - (2) - Sept. 22, 2007, 12:24:59 PM EDT

Not worth it - (bepatient) - (1) - Sept. 22, 2007, 12:41:55 PM EDT

It just may do that - (Seamus) - Sept. 22, 2007, 12:52:01 PM EDT

"Betray" was necessary to make it rhyme. - (a6l6e6x) - (8) - Sept. 22, 2007, 09:44:32 AM EDT

*Ding* *Ding* *Ding* -NT - (Another Scott) - Sept. 22, 2007, 09:52:50 AM EDT

schoolyard name-calling - (rcareaga) - (6) - Sept. 22, 2007, 02:11:10 PM EDT

There you go again - (bepatient) - (5) - Sept. 22, 2007, 03:56:40 PM EDT

Ok, so I lied. - (Another Scott) - (4) - Sept. 22, 2007, 04:45:24 PM EDT

Short answer (and no biggie, welcome back) - (bepatient) - (3) - Sept. 22, 2007, 08:00:41 PM EDT

To me it is just as important a candidate support - (Seamus) - (1) - Sept. 22, 2007, 08:08:06 PM EDT

That hasn't panned out historically - (bepatient) - Sept. 22, 2007, 08:50:41 PM EDT

2008 is not 1988. - (Another Scott) - Sept. 22, 2007, 08:51:00 PM EDT

Well, by that definition, MoveOn.org is right - (jb4) - (2) - Sept. 22, 2007, 11:08:52 PM EDT

Thanks for the affirmation - (bepatient) - (1) - Sept. 23, 2007, 12:38:13 AM EDT

NO...but it does happen - (jb4) - Sept. 30, 2007, 10:35:09 PM EDT

Re: No problem with that at all - (Seamus) - (4) - Sept. 22, 2007, 07:38:49 AM EDT

Re: No problem with that at all - (bepatient) - (3) - Sept. 22, 2007, 11:53:32 AM EDT

Stupid, but they still, IMO, were not calling Gen. Peatrus - (Seamus) - (2) - Sept. 22, 2007, 12:25:34 PM EDT

Well then petition Webster to change the definition - (bepatient) - (1) - Sept. 22, 2007, 12:13:13 PM EDT

I don't have to petition Websters - (Seamus) - Sept. 22, 2007, 12:30:36 PM EDT

You seem to be ignoring a major point. - (hnick) - (10) - Sept. 22, 2007, 09:17:42 AM EDT

No I'm not - (bepatient) - (6) - Sept. 22, 2007, 11:54:44 AM EDT

But you also said that - (Seamus) - (5) - Sept. 22, 2007, 12:48:49 PM EDT

What I'd seen - (bepatient) - (4) - Sept. 22, 2007, 01:03:40 PM EDT

Just curious, where did you see that? -NT - (Seamus) - (1) - Sept. 22, 2007, 01:31:20 PM EDT

Gonna have to get my laptop back - (bepatient) - Sept. 22, 2007, 01:47:10 PM EDT

Are you KIDDING me? - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - Sept. 23, 2007, 12:31:40 PM EDT

She hasn't yet. - (bepatient) - Sept. 23, 2007, 04:21:36 PM EDT

Actually he's not - (Simon_Jester) - (2) - Sept. 22, 2007, 12:01:35 PM EDT

All right. Difference of opinion is all. - (hnick) - (1) - Sept. 22, 2007, 12:21:00 PM EDT

Nor can I - (Simon_Jester) - Sept. 23, 2007, 12:19:55 PM EDT

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