You told me to read the link.

Post #293,383 by bepatient 9/22/07 2:02:59 AM Reply	You told me to read the link. I did. And quoted from it. Treason (crime) and traitor are 2 different beasts. And maybe we must agree to disagree...because "betray us" pretty much word for word fits what you linked as the definition of traitor. Unfortunately the Repo spin machine pretty much has this one right...unfortunately for her. Will it hurt her at this stage, no. Will it hurt her when she faces the rep candidate, it depends on which candidate that is. It does, however, make it very easy to paint her as a weak supporter of the military. They don't even need Rove or the swift boaters for this one. Interesting attempt by a congresscritter at stand up in that last link. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #293,386 by CRConrad 9/22/07 2:34:45 AM Reply	Oh, bullpucky! This is a TYPICAL fucking example of your Repugnispin -- it only amazes me that you dare try to disclaim it, right next to where you so brazenly illustrate it. You're conflating three different definitions (or four or maybe even five) of two (or three) different words, to arrive back at the word you WANT to have people think MoveOn used: Just because someone who betrayed something not-his-country (e.g, his friends, a sacred trust, etc) can also be called "a traitor" (to those things), does NOT mean that if you say someone betrayed something (unspecified what) you have necessarily accused him of "TREASON" (to his country). Frankly, that's so fucking transparent you should be ashamed to even have tried it. [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Ah, the Germans: Masters of Convoluted Simplification. — [link\|http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1603\|Jehovah]
Post #293,390 by bepatient 9/22/07 2:47:50 AM Reply	BS - straight up. (new thread) Created as new thread #293389 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=293389\|BS - straight up.] Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #293,400 by Seamus 9/22/07 11:01:41 AM Reply	The definition you quoted from was used to explain the use of the word traitor in phrases such race traitor - when there is explicit use of the word traitor. You are switching the contexts of the definitions to fit your argument. In my opinion, the use of the word betray in the ad is in the sense of letting down the country, not as a traitor to the country. You sincerely believe that the military has no place in this type of discussion, I can understand that. What you don't seem to consider possible is that others, possibly even Sen. Clinton, make a distinction between Gen. Peatrus' political role and his military role. Nor do you seem to allow for that possibility that the republicans only support the military when it suits there political needs. And therefore, the resolution you implied that Sen. Clinton only ignored because she didn't want to offend a group of donors, I see as nasty politics that is only furthering the us versus them, bunker mentality of the neocons. Seamus
Post #293,403 by bepatient 9/22/07 11:41:54 AM Reply	Go to the dictionary. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #293,404 by Seamus 9/22/07 11:49:20 AM Reply	You are just playing with the context Utterly ridiculous to imply that your impression of what they meant is the only interpretation. Seamus
Post #293,408 by bepatient 9/22/07 11:55:47 AM Reply	Give me a break Its word for word from the definition. Its absurd for you to deny it. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #293,417 by Seamus 9/22/07 12:24:59 PM Reply	It is absurd for you not to admit that there are different definitions and uses of the word traitor. And it is absurd that the definition you used from Scott's link, the one used to explain the use of traitor in phrases such 'race traitor' can only mean That is calling him a traitor by YOUR posted definition. Seamus
Post #293,419 by bepatient 9/22/07 12:41:55 PM Reply	Not worth it Politics 101 - How to lose elections. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #293,421 by Seamus 9/22/07 12:52:01 PM Reply	It just may do that But the argument is about the intent of the ad, the meaning of the words, not what affect it will have on the election. Two separate arguments. Seamus

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