Analysis, anyone?

Post #289,883 by warmachine 7/27/07 8:55:33 AM Reply	Analysis, anyone? Not being an American, I haven't followed US politics to be certain of what happened. Was she plain incompetent? Was she liked by the Bush inner circle but undermined after policy disagreements? Was she placed for PR reasons but set up to fail? Has the US lost so much goodwill, success was impossible in the first place? I'm going with the set up to fail option, myself. Any thoughts? Matthew Greet Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin? - Mark Renton, Trainspotting.
Post #289,885 by mmoffitt 7/27/07 9:09:04 AM Reply	My read, # Was she plain incompetent? Yes. Can you name a Bushie you would call competent? But incompetence is not a reason for a fall by Bush Admin standards. Also, remember who was NSA Chief on and before 9/11/2001? Enough said yet? # Was she liked by the Bush inner circle but undermined after policy disagreements? Unlikely. She's long been a Dub supporter and knows not to disagree. Not too long ago she went around vomitting the same lies and deceptions that Dub did. # Was she placed for PR reasons but set up to fail? Of course she was going to fail. This administration, in its entirety, is the gang that can't shoot straight. This is the Class of "D" students. # Has the US lost so much goodwill, success was impossible in the first place? Yep. We're toast. bcnu, Mikem Microsoft Vista. The best reason ever to buy a Mac.
Post #289,886 by JayMehaffey 7/27/07 9:14:21 AM Reply	Hard to say from the outside Was she plain incompetent? Was she placed for PR reasons but set up to fail? Has the US lost so much goodwill, success was impossible in the first place? Some combination of those are a big part of it but from outside Bush's inner circle it is hard to say which. In particular her handling of the Israel/Hezbollah war, where the US dithered around saying they where for peace but only on Israel's terms until it was clear that Israel was loosing. That badly hurt her credibility, but I suspect she was restrained by pro-war and pro-Israel forces at the top. Was she liked by the Bush inner circle but undermined after policy disagreements? She has been part of Bush's inner circle for some time. But apparently since becoming head of the State Department, she has been taking some positions against Cheney. And that is a loosing bet with this government. It probably also hurts her that international negotiations rarely lead to simple win/loose action. Bush strikes me as the sort who is drawn to war in part because they are straightforward and decisive. It has also been part of Cheney's policy from the start to undermine the State Department. Cheney and Rumsfeld and those around them have long worked to increase the power of the military at the expense of civilian command. Jay
Post #289,887 by bepatient 7/27/07 9:24:12 AM Reply	Well, heard Colin Powell speak the other day, and without giving a full review (great speaker in short), the impression given is that State is an impossible task for anyone in this administration. Too many spoons in the pot. Not that Condi is/isn't qualified...on paper she's one member of this administration that actually IS qualified for the post she holds. But, given the way this admin works, its likely that her opinions are nullified by the wishes of the >real< inner circle. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #289,909 by mmoffitt 7/27/07 2:36:38 PM Reply	Colon Powell. Great source. Coverup of My Lai anyone? It sickens me that turd always gets a pass from the Meedja. bcnu, Mikem Microsoft Vista. The best reason ever to buy a Mac.
Post #289,910 by bepatient 7/27/07 2:39:53 PM Reply	What? 40 years later? Even Larry King asked about it during an interview...king of the softballers. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #289,911 by mmoffitt 7/27/07 2:42:06 PM Reply	He lied about it for decades. And this is the turd everybody talks about as having "character?" bcnu, Mikem Microsoft Vista. The best reason ever to buy a Mac.
Post #289,912 by bepatient 7/27/07 2:49:36 PM Reply	Differing opinions he didn't lie about it. He dismissed it all together. And as foreign as it may be to you, he was in the military. Not exactly a bastion of open media policy. His "official" report said that generally the soldiers were polite and that there may be some "isolated incidents". Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #289,913 by mmoffitt 7/27/07 2:57:13 PM Reply	Tell that to Tom Glen. Powell: "In direct refutation of this portrayal is the fact that relations between Americal soldiers and the Vietnamese people are excellent." No, that's not a lie. Excellent relations == being murdered. Please. bcnu, Mikem Microsoft Vista. The best reason ever to buy a Mac.

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