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New More support impeaching Bush than did impeaching Clinton
[link|http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/015045.php|TPM]:

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This is the third poll I've seen on this in the last two months, and the results are similar enough to bolster their collective reliability. An American Research Group poll released this week showed that among all U.S. adults, 45% support the House initiating impeachment proceedings against Bush (the percentage was 54% in relation to Cheney impeachment). And an InsiderAdvantage/Majority Opinion poll taken in early May showed 39% of American favor impeachment.

First, for a "fringe" idea that "serious" people are supposed to reject out of hand, 40% of the electorate sounds like a fairly substantial number of people.

Second, more Americans support impeaching Bush now than supported impeaching Clinton when he was actually being impeached.

And third, I think Matt Yglesias is right about the larger political dialog: [I]nsofar as Bush appears determined to use his constitutionally granted authority to shield his subordinates from the consequences of breaking the law, I would say that removing him from the office which grants that authority is something that should be discussed."

Are there 67 votes in the Senate for removing Bush from office? Almost certainly not, a fact that seems unlikely to change anytime soon. For that matter, the prospect of a President Cheney is, shall we say, disconcerting.

But given the circumstances, there's no reason to dismiss the notion as some radical flight of fancy. Reasonable people, debating in good faith, can disagree about the utility, implications, and grounds for impeachment, but as Yglesias put it, the concept should probably "enter the mainstream conversation."


Impeachment hearings would be a big distraction from important problems that the Congress should address, but a strong case can be made that if oversight and/or impeachment hearings aren't initiated on Bush's watch then they won't happen at all. That's a point that would lead me to support them.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Well, I disagree a little bit
To be frank, I don't think there is a more important problem for the US right now than doing something about your out of control executive.
New Hush now you.
You are *THIS* close to becoming a Commonwealth of the United States of America.

Learn to Bow and pay homage!


















OOPS![image|/forums/images/warning.png|0|This is sarcasm...]
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New All hail King George?
isn't that what STARTED the US?
New What is that saying?
Those that fail to study history and learn from it, are bound to repeat it.

Well, something along that line.
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New Canada and anschluss
Quoth folkert: You are *THIS* close to becoming a Commonwealth of the United States of America. Actually, I think Canada's moment of maximum peril came during the months following the Unpleasantness of Nine Eleven Oh One, when there were voices in the Bush administration talking about how our northern neighbor might have to "subordinate its policies" to US anti-terrorism concerns. The logical next step would have been a compromise between what we used to call "Finlandization"* and the Warsaw Pact, with sundry Canadian policies and procedures (beginning with immigration, but by now, I imagine, extending to, say, drug and abortion matters) being brought in line with US right wing wet dreams. This would have been called something like "bringing Canada inside the US security perimeter." It could happen yet, if this criminal cabal succeeds in perpetuating itself in power by one means or another.

Speaking of criminal cabals, Scott Horton today posts a useful pointer to [link|http://www.mcclatchydc.com/galloway/story/17599.html|this] trenchant piece of analysis of the Coup That Couldn't Speak Straight:
Why is it that the Bush administration, in its dying throes, looks remarkably more like an organized crime ring than one of the arms of the American government? A poorly organized and run crime ring, truly, but a crime ring nonetheless.

Why do I keep remembering the George Bush that I actually once voted for when he first ran for president—the one who talked of bringing in an administration that would look more like the face of America and of giving us a government whose appointees would be honest, upright, fair and moral.

Yes, that's the one. What happened to him? Where did that George Bush go? When did he go over to The Dark Side? What enticements did Vice President Darth Cheney offer him? Was it the vision of unlimited, unchecked power over the world?

How can it be that this man from Texas presides over a White House that shelters and provides cover for men like Karl Rove and I. Lewis \ufffdScooter\ufffd Libby, who clearly believe that the laws of our country are only meant to be imposed on lesser beings, the man in the street?

...

Where is it written in either the federal statutes or the Constitution of the United States that our laws against criminal acts apply to everyone but nice, meek, small-statured Republican political operatives who have a wonderful wife and children? Our prisons are full of nice, meek white-collar criminals who cheated a bit on their taxes or back-dated their bountiful option awards or raped and looted the coffers of corporations and beggared the poor fools who trusted them and bought stock in their criminal enterprises.

The estimable Scooter Libby repeatedly lied under oath to investigators of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and a sitting federal grand jury. Last time I looked that is a felony offense punishable by fine and imprisonment.

There are two former agents of the U.S. Border Patrol sitting in a federal prison for shooting a fleeing dope smuggler and then lying in their reports in an attempt to cover their butts with their bosses. Where is their commutation of sentences? Where is their pardon?
In this connection I recently caught a reference to Bush as lately looking less like an American president, even a notably corrupt and brutal specimen of the breed, and more like Al Capone with an Air Force.

cordially,

*There are some, of course, who would aver that the "Finlandization" of Canada took place a long, long time ago—although in fairness I think that in 1968 any Soviet male reaching Helsinki in hopes of finding a haven from conscription would have been whisked back to the Rodina instanter. Particularly since for a time in 1971 following the, ah, unexpected forfeiture of my student deferment, I have thought warmly of my country's kinder, gentler neighbor.
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
     More support impeaching Bush than did impeaching Clinton - (Another Scott) - (5)
         Well, I disagree a little bit - (jake123) - (4)
             Hush now you. - (folkert) - (3)
                 All hail King George? - (Simon_Jester) - (1)
                     What is that saying? - (folkert)
                 Canada and anschluss - (rcareaga)

The next steps I'm real fuzzy on.
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