Well, now you've framed me up nicely.

Post #28,730 by marlowe 2/17/02 11:29:39 AM Reply	Well, now you've framed me up nicely. If I challenge you, I look like a big heartless meany. If I don't challenge you, your nonsense gains credibility by association with, um, conviction and courage and stuff. Hell with it. I can't win without a level playing field, and you're not gonna allow me a level playing field. So I'll just go out fighting. Here are my points: 1) The vicious stupidity of other kids does not in any way make your daughter, or you, in the right regarding the original question. Truth just doesn't work that way. There was a time when young Nazi sympathisers got beat up on the playgrounds of America. 2) Conviction is not the same as bloody-mindedness. The difference is: one is well thought out, and the other isn't. But I don't expect you to appreciate such a fine distinction. There. Now I look like a big heartless meany. Now you can beat me up. [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html] Sometimes "tolerance" is just a word for not dealing with things.
Post #28,732 by marlowe 2/17/02 11:59:38 AM Reply	My heart goes out this this child [link\|http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/0006275E-E72C-1BA8-805C80C328EC02DC.girl\|She didn't live long enough to get beat up on the playground.] Juliana McCourt wasn't courageous, or pigheaded, or even brainwashed. She was simply incinerated. [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html] Sometimes "tolerance" is just a word for not dealing with things.
Post #28,738 by Brandioch 2/17/02 1:28:52 PM Reply	Your mind must be an interesting place to inhabit. So, a victim of a terrorist attack (religious fundamentalism) provides what support for your defense of fascist-like behaviour in the US? Or are you claiming that Juliana McCourt didn't want to be coerced into saying TPoA either? Or are you claiming that Juliana McCourt liked saying TPoA? Or are you claiming that if everyone said TPoA that Juliana McCourt would still be alive? Allow me my view on the situation. Certain people are taught a certain belief and are willing to harm others who don't believe as they do. Now, whether those certain people are terrorists or school-mates.......... But that's okay in your mind 'cause our cause is right and just and meet.
Post #28,944 by marlowe 2/19/02 2:02:53 PM Reply	Just trying to put things in perspective. Knowing how much it drives people like you up the wall to see things put in perspective. Moffitt's kid is not a hero. And neither are the terrorists. And neither are you. [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html] Sometimes "tolerance" is just a word for not dealing with things.
Post #28,947 by Brandioch 2/19/02 2:17:46 PM Reply	Really? Moffitt's kid is not a hero. A child willing to get beaten at school while a teacher looks on is not a hero? Maybe. Depending upon how you define "hero". She's certainly a lot braver than most of the people I've met. Knowing how much it drives people like you up the wall to see things put in perspective. And what perspective is that? A child was killed by someone who couldn't stand opposing thought. A child was beaten by someone who couldn't stand opposing thought. "Perspective"? The child who was beaten was beaten by US CITIZENS! Oh, is the "perspective" you're aiming for the fact that we can treat people with different viewpoints just as badly as the terrorists did? Or is it that you don't HAVE a point? You start waving pictures of dead children as some kind of holy symbol against the forces of evil (liberals) hoping that they will flee in terror? Doesn't look like that happened, does it? So, again, I'm asking you what your point was with your post of a dead girl's picture. Don't give me generalities like "perspective". Give me specifics. And Mike's daughter has more guts and character than you've displayed so far. She's willing to get beaten for her beliefs and you can't even articulate your's in a web forum. She's being beaten. The worst you'd get is embarrased. No wonder you don't think she's a hero.
Post #28,745 by Ashton 2/17/02 2:58:31 PM Reply	Nahh.. you built the box, and keep reinforcing the walls You're "for the mob" - when the mob has ideas you deem to be ~same Revealed Truth as You have. Of course when the mob has different views: why then.. ignore ignorant mob behavior. How very convenient and.. flexible of you. (You don't even get.. that this isn't even about! the PoA.. per se). One Ernst Cantorowicz at UC, in the early '50s pointed out, in a nicely reasoned tract* which went around - and months later, caused the UC Regents to rescind Their 'Loyalty Oath': * entitled, The Fundamental Issue, it pointed out that the entire oath hysteria was about - wait for it - YAN attack on tenure!. Yup a Regent - cast in same bullet-mold as you - was convinced that Profs were no different from janitors: hire & fire 'em at will, them uppity intellekshuls. (That's another thread. One idiocy at a time.) [link\|http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/uchistory/archives_exhibits/loyaltyoath/docs_images.html\|Loyalty Oath history] C. pointed out that any coerced oath (sign this or starve / become unemployable / get beat up by class etc.) is invalid on the face of it. It's even inane on the practical side: why those awful, unPrincipled Commyunist Wackos\ufffd will sign Anything! in order to subvert, undermine, sabotage our US Bastion of Personal Freedom\ufffd. Oh the involute irony of it all... Carry on with further box reinforcements - eventually you'll nail shut the oxygen vent too, Ashton PS - is this simple enough English for ya? I can make it reel simple, as fits your preference - by numbering the sequence from 'oath' ---> 'oaf'. Woof. [link\|http://www.dansdata.com/psycho.htm\|How to spot a psychopath (or even just a trail)]
Post #28,794 by boxley 2/18/02 9:40:33 AM Reply	Marlowe, just change yer username to Ginger Mike Doogan "Then there's figure skating and ice dancing and snowboarding. The winners are all chosen by judges. That's not sports. That's politics. And curling? If curling is a sport, pork rinds are a health food."

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