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Post #286,187 by andread 6/4/07 4:22:20 PM Reply	You're wrong again as I stated originally, the purpose of UAC is to limit or control the behavior of users, not to annoy admins Admins can turn it off Users can't turn it off if an admin has set it up on their machine without an admin password they won't be installing whatever it was that brought up the UAC prompt A Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://westcottradio.org\|Tune In]
Post #286,188 by mmoffitt 6/4/07 4:26:59 PM Reply	Point = Missed. Intentionally or otherwise. bcnu, Mikem It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
Post #286,195 by CRConrad 6/4/07 5:29:47 PM Reply	Thank you so much for AGAIN explaining the purpose of UAC. You didn't happen to see the bit where I wrote, "doesn't get that Peter has known the purpose all along", did you...? So, a big thank you also for demonstrating so brilliantly my point from the previous post -- namely, that you just plain refuse to understand anything Peter or I write. Now, couldn't you do us all a favour and just not reply to stuff you don't (because you refuse to) understand? (Like, I'm sure, this post.) Thank you. [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Ah, the Germans: Masters of Convoluted Simplification. — [link\|http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1603\|Jehovah]
Post #286,203 by drewk 6/4/07 8:01:32 PM Reply	Question Is UAC described in the official Microsoft literature as a way to "limit or control the behavior of users"? Or is it described as a way to improve the security of the system? You could take the dodge that in order to secure the system you have to "limit or control the behavior of users", but that is an implementation detail. I believe[1] the advertised purpose of UAC is to increase security. And in that respect, it fails -- specifically because it instead implements a way to "limit or control the behavior of users". [1] I lied. I actually know that's the [link\|http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsvista/aa906022.aspx\|advertised purpose]. User Account Control (UAC) is a new security component of the Microsoft\ufffd Windows Vista operating system. UAC enables users to perform common tasks as non-administrators, called standard users in Windows Vista, and as administrators without having to switch users, log off, or use Run As. <snip> By separating user and administrator functions while enabling productivity, UAC is an important enhancement for Windows Vista. === Kip Hawley is still an idiot. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #286,225 by andread 6/5/07 8:57:46 AM Reply	Re: Question as I said before that is how the MS spokesman at the Vista launch I attended described it He was debating an attendee who thought UAC needed to be turned off immediately on all Vista installs A Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://westcottradio.org\|Tune In]
Post #286,242 by crazy 6/5/07 5:02:13 PM Reply	ahh, cascading shills There is never an authority, and no one can ever be held accountable for claiming something, because after all, it's not like they expected anyone to believe them anyway.
Post #286,313 by andread 6/6/07 11:38:01 AM Reply	The speaker was Michael J Murphy you can visit his blog at [link\|http://blogs.technet.com/mjmurphy\|http://blogs.technet.com/mjmurphy] A Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://westcottradio.org\|Tune In]
Post #286,331 by crazy 6/6/07 3:46:53 PM Reply	And I'd want to do that because? Occupation: IT Evangelist At least you can pretend that you are looking out for the best interest of your company, and that its best interest does not necessarily coincide with the advancement of a particular technology. Of course, you ARE pretending, since your career DOES depend on it. This guy can't even pretend. He is a shill, with no doubt.
Post #286,400 by andread 6/7/07 8:47:35 AM Reply	Not a shill he works for MS A Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://westcottradio.org\|Tune In]
Post #286,440 by crazy 6/7/07 3:29:44 PM Reply	Serious question: Are you brain damaged? Have you been in a car accident? Maybe a little light on oxygen for a while? [link\|http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=shill\|http://www.m-w.com/c...a-search&va=shill]
Post #286,451 by andread 6/7/07 4:51:34 PM Reply	Re: Serious question: Are you brain damaged? No at the risk of quibbling with the dictionary, I've always had a slightly different understanding of the term at a 3 card monte game, the 'winner' with the handful of cash who is a partner of the dealer is a shill from Wikipedia: A shill is an associate of a person selling goods or services or a political group, who pretends no association to the seller/group and assumes the air of an enthusiastic customer. The intention of the shill is, using crowd psychology, to encourage others unaware of the set-up to purchase said goods or services or support the political group's ideological claims. Shills are often employed by confidence artists and governments. Certainly, I think that is what Chuckles means when he calls me a shill A Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://westcottradio.org\|Tune In]
Post #286,456 by crazy 6/7/07 5:47:43 PM Reply	Ah, the wonders of Wikipedia where if you don't like it, you get to change it. And the wonders of focused limited definitions. You/he promote the environment, purposefully ignoring flaws, because it benefits you. You are both shills. He is a directly paid one, you are indirectly since it benefits your career in general.The more people that adopt it, the more money he makes and the more likelyhood your skillset will keep you employed. And the comment concerning brain damage was a kind one, because otherwise, you'd be displaying the ultimate skill of a shill, the ability to ignore the incredibly obvious. Purposeful stupidity is such an endearing trait, wouldn't you say?
Post #286,464 by bepatient 6/7/07 7:14:26 PM Reply	I had always understood the term by his definition. Employees aren't shills UNLESS they are on the net pretending NOT to be employees. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #286,467 by jake123 6/7/07 7:21:26 PM Reply	Indeed; if they self-identify properly, they're salespeople.
Post #286,488 by crazy 6/7/07 10:18:53 PM Reply	I disagree (new thread) Created as new thread #286487 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=286487\|I disagree]
Post #286,524 by mmoffitt 6/8/07 10:34:53 AM Reply	I'm ambivalent. However, in Mega$loth's case ... they actually have a titled position of "Evangelist". I'd be pressed not to call an evangelist a shill. bcnu, Mikem It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
Post #286,209 by bepatient 6/4/07 9:56:58 PM Reply	The problem here is you are defining a very limited user set those on controlled machines. That isn't the majority and it certainly isn't the user set that creates most significant security problems. Again, UAC is a "security tool" that is annoying enough to the vast majority for them to rip it out..making it not only annoying but completely ineffective. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}

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