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Post #286,085 by CRConrad 6/2/07 7:01:36 PM 6/5/07 2:52:37 AM Reply	It's the other way around; the poor nitwit is incapable... ...of understanding what Peter writes. (Or rather, pretends to be.) Peter complains that Vista's UAC works like shit -- i.e, fails to do what it sets out to do -- in large part because it's too annoying; Andrea Dear gibbers in reply about how Peter doesn't get what Vista's UAC sets out to do, i.e, its purpose. No, fuckwit, he's known that all the time -- what he's been saying all along in this thread is, it doesn't succeed at it. But Andrea just refuses to get that distinction. Just re-read the thread slowly and you'll se that that's where the "problem" (as artificial and intentional as it is) lies. And therefore fuck knows if the reason s/he/it doesn't jump down your throat is your more conciliatory (Why, BTW?) tone in that one post -- or just the fact that s/he/it is apparently not intentionally refusing to understand what s/he/it is reading when it is written by anyone else but Peter or me. (Could that have anything to do with the fact that most of the rest of you guys haven't yet publically declared your understanding of s/he/its $hillness?) Personally, I think the latter seems quite a bit more likely. [Edit: Aaargh, typo!] [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Ah, the Germans: Masters of Convoluted Simplification. — [link\|http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1603\|Jehovah] Edited by CRConrad June 5, 2007, 02:52:37 AM EDT It's the other way around; the poor nitwit is incapable... ...of understanding what Peter writes. (Or rather, pretends to be.) Peter complains that Vista's UAC works like shit -- i.e, fails to do what it sets out to do -- in large part because it's too annoying; Andrea Dear gibbers in reply about how Peter doesn't get what Vista's UAC sets out to do, i.e, its purpose. No, fuckwit, he's know that all the time -- what he's been saying all along in this thread is, it doesn't succeed at it. But Andrea just refuses to get that distinction. Just re-read the thread slowly and you'll se that that's where the "problem" (as artificial and intentional as it is) lies. And therefore fuck knows if the reason s/he/it doesn't jump down your throat is your more conciliatory (Why, BTW?) tone in that one post -- or just the fact that s/he/it is apparently not intentionally refusing to understand what s/he/it is reading when it is written by anyone else but Peter or me. (Could that have anything to do with the fact that most of the rest of you guys haven't yet publically declared your understanding of s/he/its $hillness?) Personally, I think the latter seems quite a bit more likely. [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Ah, the Germans: Masters of Convoluted Simplification. — [link\|http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1603\|Jehovah] Collapse All History
Post #286,187 by andread 6/4/07 4:22:20 PM Reply	You're wrong again as I stated originally, the purpose of UAC is to limit or control the behavior of users, not to annoy admins Admins can turn it off Users can't turn it off if an admin has set it up on their machine without an admin password they won't be installing whatever it was that brought up the UAC prompt A Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://westcottradio.org\|Tune In]
Post #286,188 by mmoffitt 6/4/07 4:26:59 PM Reply	Point = Missed. Intentionally or otherwise. bcnu, Mikem It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
Post #286,195 by CRConrad 6/4/07 5:29:47 PM Reply	Thank you so much for AGAIN explaining the purpose of UAC. You didn't happen to see the bit where I wrote, "doesn't get that Peter has known the purpose all along", did you...? So, a big thank you also for demonstrating so brilliantly my point from the previous post -- namely, that you just plain refuse to understand anything Peter or I write. Now, couldn't you do us all a favour and just not reply to stuff you don't (because you refuse to) understand? (Like, I'm sure, this post.) Thank you. [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Ah, the Germans: Masters of Convoluted Simplification. — [link\|http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1603\|Jehovah]
Post #286,203 by drewk 6/4/07 8:01:32 PM Reply	Question Is UAC described in the official Microsoft literature as a way to "limit or control the behavior of users"? Or is it described as a way to improve the security of the system? You could take the dodge that in order to secure the system you have to "limit or control the behavior of users", but that is an implementation detail. I believe[1] the advertised purpose of UAC is to increase security. And in that respect, it fails -- specifically because it instead implements a way to "limit or control the behavior of users". [1] I lied. I actually know that's the [link\|http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsvista/aa906022.aspx\|advertised purpose]. User Account Control (UAC) is a new security component of the Microsoft\ufffd Windows Vista operating system. UAC enables users to perform common tasks as non-administrators, called standard users in Windows Vista, and as administrators without having to switch users, log off, or use Run As. <snip> By separating user and administrator functions while enabling productivity, UAC is an important enhancement for Windows Vista. === Kip Hawley is still an idiot. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #286,225 by andread 6/5/07 8:57:46 AM Reply	Re: Question as I said before that is how the MS spokesman at the Vista launch I attended described it He was debating an attendee who thought UAC needed to be turned off immediately on all Vista installs A Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://westcottradio.org\|Tune In]
Post #286,242 by crazy 6/5/07 5:02:13 PM Reply	ahh, cascading shills There is never an authority, and no one can ever be held accountable for claiming something, because after all, it's not like they expected anyone to believe them anyway.
Post #286,313 by andread 6/6/07 11:38:01 AM Reply	The speaker was Michael J Murphy you can visit his blog at [link\|http://blogs.technet.com/mjmurphy\|http://blogs.technet.com/mjmurphy] A Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://westcottradio.org\|Tune In]
Post #286,331 by crazy 6/6/07 3:46:53 PM Reply	And I'd want to do that because? Occupation: IT Evangelist At least you can pretend that you are looking out for the best interest of your company, and that its best interest does not necessarily coincide with the advancement of a particular technology. Of course, you ARE pretending, since your career DOES depend on it. This guy can't even pretend. He is a shill, with no doubt.
Post #286,400 by andread 6/7/07 8:47:35 AM Reply	Not a shill he works for MS A Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://westcottradio.org\|Tune In]
Post #286,440 by crazy 6/7/07 3:29:44 PM Reply	Serious question: Are you brain damaged? Have you been in a car accident? Maybe a little light on oxygen for a while? [link\|http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=shill\|http://www.m-w.com/c...a-search&va=shill]
Post #286,451 by andread 6/7/07 4:51:34 PM Reply	Re: Serious question: Are you brain damaged? No at the risk of quibbling with the dictionary, I've always had a slightly different understanding of the term at a 3 card monte game, the 'winner' with the handful of cash who is a partner of the dealer is a shill from Wikipedia: A shill is an associate of a person selling goods or services or a political group, who pretends no association to the seller/group and assumes the air of an enthusiastic customer. The intention of the shill is, using crowd psychology, to encourage others unaware of the set-up to purchase said goods or services or support the political group's ideological claims. Shills are often employed by confidence artists and governments. Certainly, I think that is what Chuckles means when he calls me a shill A Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://westcottradio.org\|Tune In]
Post #286,456 by crazy 6/7/07 5:47:43 PM Reply	Ah, the wonders of Wikipedia where if you don't like it, you get to change it. And the wonders of focused limited definitions. You/he promote the environment, purposefully ignoring flaws, because it benefits you. You are both shills. He is a directly paid one, you are indirectly since it benefits your career in general.The more people that adopt it, the more money he makes and the more likelyhood your skillset will keep you employed. And the comment concerning brain damage was a kind one, because otherwise, you'd be displaying the ultimate skill of a shill, the ability to ignore the incredibly obvious. Purposeful stupidity is such an endearing trait, wouldn't you say?
Post #286,464 by bepatient 6/7/07 7:14:26 PM Reply	I had always understood the term by his definition. Employees aren't shills UNLESS they are on the net pretending NOT to be employees. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #286,467 by jake123 6/7/07 7:21:26 PM Reply	Indeed; if they self-identify properly, they're salespeople.
Post #286,488 by crazy 6/7/07 10:18:53 PM Reply	I disagree (new thread) Created as new thread #286487 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=286487\|I disagree]
Post #286,524 by mmoffitt 6/8/07 10:34:53 AM Reply	I'm ambivalent. However, in Mega$loth's case ... they actually have a titled position of "Evangelist". I'd be pressed not to call an evangelist a shill. bcnu, Mikem It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
Post #286,209 by bepatient 6/4/07 9:56:58 PM Reply	The problem here is you are defining a very limited user set those on controlled machines. That isn't the majority and it certainly isn't the user set that creates most significant security problems. Again, UAC is a "security tool" that is annoying enough to the vast majority for them to rip it out..making it not only annoying but completely ineffective. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #286,217 by pwhysall 6/5/07 2:44:39 AM Reply	"he's known" - HTH </CRC> Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes! [link\|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?pwhysall\|A better terminal emulator] [image\|http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h262/pwhysall/Misc/saveus.png\|0\|Darwinia\|\|]
Post #286,219 by CRConrad 6/5/07 2:53:52 AM Reply	Aaargh! Fixed, thanx. (I can has cheezburger now?)
Post #286,221 by crazy 6/5/07 7:08:32 AM Reply	Can't or pretends is the same in this case While he may not get income directly from MS sales, his career is so tightly bound to running an MS infrastructure his opinion is essentially worthless. [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=278535\|http://z.iwethey.org...?contentid=278535] And since he really only pretends to be technical ie: he can follow a cookbook but does not really seem to understand what is going on under the covers, ie: the perfect Windows "tech"), you can't really expect him to have any coherent discussion on the matter. [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=284165\|http://z.iwethey.org...?contentid=284165] I always wondered about "pure" IT guys. Those that are tied with supporting the entire company, doing infrastructure stuff, like file serving, authentication, email, printing, networking, backups, non-customer specific DBA, etc. People in these positions often seem to lose focus on the company and what it needs to do to service its customers, since customer contact is so indirect to them. They get to "tax" the organization, and incompetent people can last a lot longer than anywhere else since the group as a whole is often blamed for their mistakes, which means only a top level firing can start moving the group forward. Seem like the perfect place for MS specific people to hang around.
Post #286,228 by boxley 6/5/07 9:56:11 AM Reply	Oy you we are customer service thank you very much, we are constantly trying to improve the customer experience doing it faster and cheaper than ever before. thanx, bill Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari? Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 51 years. meep reach me at [link\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net\|mailto:bill.oxley@cox.net]
Post #286,241 by crazy 6/5/07 5:00:07 PM Reply	Oy back Your customers (the real ones, not the internal ones) are the ones using your service. Your infrastructure is in direct support of your customer's active experience. If they don't like what you have to offer, they can go to a competitor. You don't fall into the category described above.

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