How does that work, then?

...and shaft drive. An addition to your "That's every BMW ever, then", turning it into "That's every BMW, Moto Guzzi, and Gold Wing ever, and that old Indian and the big new Triumph too, then". (Well, every BMW ever except for the somewhat newish single-cylinder off-roaders, F65 or whateverthefuck they're called, and the two- or three-year-old K1200S [or some such], which all have transverse crankshafts and chain drive. And I'm not sure about early Pleistocene Guzzis either.)

And "how it works", BTW, is not anything as esoteric as gyroscopic effects, but just the simple force-counterforce principle: Any engine, if the crankshaft were braked by some force, that would tend to apply a rotational torque in the opposite direction to the rest of the engine. Think Superman flying up and grabbing hold of the propeller of a Spitfire: The plane would start twisting around its long axis at some 2000 rpm. Or think helicopters: That's why most single-rotor ones have that boom with a little propeller at the back, to apply a counter-counter-twist to the counter-twist that the engine driving the main rotor is applying to the whole airframe.

HTH!

Post #285,517 by pwhysall 5/27/07 3:32:12 PM Reply	How does that work, then? Do they have a diff? Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes! [link\|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?pwhysall\|A better terminal emulator] [image\|http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h262/pwhysall/Misc/saveus.png\|0\|Darwinia\|\|]
Post #285,523 by CRConrad 5/27/07 7:25:38 PM Reply	No; just that like BMWs, they have longitudinal crankshafts ...and shaft drive. An addition to your "That's every BMW ever, then", turning it into "That's every BMW, Moto Guzzi, and Gold Wing ever, and that old Indian and the big new Triumph too, then". (Well, every BMW ever except for the somewhat newish single-cylinder off-roaders, F65 or whateverthefuck they're called, and the two- or three-year-old K1200S [or some such], which all have transverse crankshafts and chain drive. And I'm not sure about early Pleistocene Guzzis either.) And "how it works", BTW, is not anything as esoteric as gyroscopic effects, but just the simple force-counterforce principle: Any engine, if the crankshaft were braked by some force, that would tend to apply a rotational torque in the opposite direction to the rest of the engine. Think Superman flying up and grabbing hold of the propeller of a Spitfire: The plane would start twisting around its long axis at some 2000 rpm. Or think helicopters: That's why most single-rotor ones have that boom with a little propeller at the back, to apply a counter-counter-twist to the counter-twist that the engine driving the main rotor is applying to the whole airframe. HTH! [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Ah, the Germans: Masters of Convoluted Simplification. — [link\|http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1603\|Jehovah]
Post #285,546 by pwhysall 5/28/07 3:26:08 AM Reply	gotcha, thanks So, in summary, it's high time people stopped using the phrase "torque steer" in relation to motorbikes, because it's frankly nonsense. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes! [link\|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?pwhysall\|A better terminal emulator] [image\|http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h262/pwhysall/Misc/saveus.png\|0\|Darwinia\|\|]
Post #285,548 by CRConrad 5/28/07 4:48:29 AM Reply	Yeah, of course; they should never have started using it.

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